Map help? on 07/12/2012 06:07 AM CDT
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The map has a large 'X' marked in the middle of it. Near the marking, you can see a sketch of the opening of a cavern. Contour lines drawn along the map indicate that the destination is located near sea level, and a drawing of two farm plots surrounds the 'X'. Straight lines have been drawn from the center, pointing east, southwest, and northwest. From other markings on the map, you guess that the destination is somewhere nearby. Judging by your surrounding environment, you will find the treasure in this province.

It says it is west of Rossmans, NW of Lang, nearby in Marauders, southeast of Fornsted and Hvaral. Problem is I have studied in every room on marauders map. Tried in the geni maze but no luck. anyone have any ideas?
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Re: Map help? on 07/12/2012 07:03 AM CDT
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The only thing I could suggest short of actually looking for it with you would be to go to one of the locations that gives you a direction (For example go to Lang where it tells you it's NW) and type WHERE NW. If you're lucky you'll get a list of locations considered NW of there. Might be someplace you haven't considered yet, maybe.

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Re: Map help? on 07/12/2012 12:49 PM CDT
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how close is it blood wolves? There is a room fitting that description in the wolf lair:

http://www.elanthipedia.org/w/index.php/RanikMap41a
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Re: Map help? on 07/13/2012 06:14 PM CDT
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Checked its NW of there. Its only nearby in the map area for maurauders. South if you go toward fornstad, north from rossmans, se from muspari and oasis, west from there. North of rakash village. This map is obnoxious.

The map has a large 'X' marked in the middle of it. Near the marking, you can see a sketch of the opening of a cavern. Contour lines drawn along the map indicate that the destination is located near sea level, and a drawing of two farm plots surrounds the 'X'. Straight lines have been drawn from the center, pointing east, southwest, and northwest. From other markings on the map, you guess that the destination is directly west of here. Judging by your surrounding environment, you will find the treasure in this province.

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Re: Map help? on 07/13/2012 07:19 PM CDT
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Theren Keep tunnels

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Re: Map help? on 07/13/2012 07:38 PM CDT
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Says west of here. It only says nearby in the maruaders/darkspirits area. But heck if i see where it might be
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Re: Map help? on 07/14/2012 02:22 PM CDT
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There is one place in Fornsted, but you are saying south of there. Only other thing I can see is the Geni maze that is premium only. I'd assist and make sure its not in there.

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Re: Map help? on 07/14/2012 02:35 PM CDT
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And this would be funny if true, but it could even be in the Droughtman's maze. Like I said, assist to make sure.

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Re: Map help? on 07/14/2012 07:49 PM CDT
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already sissted on it.. Apparently its in a room that is ok. I studied in every room in maruaders. Tried in geni not sure how many rooms are there because of the stupid maze. No treasure yet. I'll prob just get a shoulder worn purse of carrots anyway
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Re: Map help? on 07/14/2012 08:29 PM CDT
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Isn't that geni area an estate holder zone? Estate areas can't be map locations.

You might want to explore more. Some areas aren't always appearing to be in the right "direction", while two nearby locations might be separated by one that isn't listed as nearby.



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Re: Map help? on 07/14/2012 10:54 PM CDT
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That's why the 'where' verb can sometimes come in so handy. Sometims.

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Re: Map help? on 07/19/2012 03:01 PM CDT
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Did you try checking the road to the Rakash village? I'm not familiar with the area, but I seem to remember finding a cavern there.

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Re: Map help? on 07/21/2012 12:23 AM CDT
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There is an E, NE, SW room in the water part of fendryads/elsraels...fits the sea level part, but not sure about the whole cavern & farm thing:
http://www.kythsjournal.com/maps/map08.htm

On that same map, off the Sun Vulture area is the lair (where you have to kneel to enter), that has the right room directions, would fit the cavern and possibly the farms, not sure about the sea level part.

Does seem like a particularly evil map, good luck treasure hunting for it!

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Re: Map help? on 07/21/2012 02:20 AM CDT
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This map is the biggest pain ever. It is only nearby in marauder map area. No rooms match that. I have studied it in every room mapped on raniks and g3 automapper. No luck. Anyone know if there is some kind of super sekret srs room in that map I dont know about or something? Starting to just get fed up with it
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Re: Map help? on 07/21/2012 03:23 PM CDT
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Did you assist to have a GM check the location is reachable by you? There have been occasions when they were not pointing to a reachable location, and the Staff moved the location it referred to somewhere that could be reached. Considering how long you've been working at this, I don't think a GH or GM would mind at least looking at it to confirm it's not the map, and not just you failing to find some remote unmapped region in Ker'leor.
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Re: Map help? on 07/21/2012 05:36 PM CDT
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I asked a GM two days after and he said his boss looked and said it was a valid room. I am just confised as to where else it could possibly be.
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Re: Map help? on 07/21/2012 05:45 PM CDT
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Did you try the pavillion in Fornstead village? It has a NW SW E setup: http://elanthipedia.org/w/index.php/RanikMap44



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Re: Map help? on 07/21/2012 06:37 PM CDT
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I did. Was one of the first places I checked because the direction exit are perfect. As soon as you climb path out of the marauders towards seordmaors it is south, if you are on the NTR outside theren gate it is west, you go wall and it is nearby. Unless theres some bleed over in zone map it can only be in the maurauders area http://elanthipedia.org/w/index.php/RanikMap43

But I have studied it in every room.. nd I mean every room on the map a few times now. no results.
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Re: Map help? on 07/21/2012 06:57 PM CDT
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Any chance a part of that map is left out/marked incorrectly? I know there are a few ranik maps with minor sideroutes not mentioned.



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Re: Map help? on 07/21/2012 08:05 PM CDT
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Got a GM to take another look. They said they can give me a new map or keep looking in the area I was looking because its there. i took the new map.
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Re: Map help? on 07/21/2012 08:20 PM CDT
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Woohooo got some carved ivory fangs. I am just done with maps now. why dont they just start putting the same garbage they put in the paper wrapped packages in the boxes. good job screwing up a system that was fun when it started but now just puts whatever in the treasure simu. I'll just sell my maps or feed them to gelapod from now on
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Re: Map help? on 07/21/2012 09:17 PM CDT
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It helps to assume maps have raffle-grade items with the rare chance of something auction grade than expecting always auction/quest grade.

I've never gotten anything jealous-inducing yet, but I've also never been disappointed because I never expect anything game-changing.



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Re: Map help? on 07/21/2012 09:32 PM CDT
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I dont expect game changing out of the box. But fangs? a belt worn sack that wont even hold a box? a waxy paper bag with carrot muffins in it? i did get a full pirate outfit in a ship captains chest which was neat and i sold for profit. and got a unique sundress that still have on a mule somewhere. I just think that even if something is unique but not higher functioning it would be cool. to find a set of fangs you can buy off a traders table for a few plat is just laziness or brokeness.
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Re: Map help? on 07/22/2012 01:59 AM CDT
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Are you certain you can buy those exact fangs? Most map prizes are unique (aside from a few that are duplicated by the treasure hopper itself. Snow globe anyone?).



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Re: Map help? on 07/22/2012 02:29 AM CDT
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>>Are you certain you can buy those exact fangs?

Unless someone just accidentally made an item with the same name as another item...

http://elanthipedia.org/w/index.php/Item:Carved_ivory_fangs

That said, there are a lot of items in the treasure system that are either really old or variations on festival shop items.

Others are more unique. Like good old robotic thumb-worshipers: http://elanthipedia.org/w/index.php/Item:Small_mechanical_cleric



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Re: Map help? on 07/22/2012 04:43 AM CDT
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Well I sit corrected.



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Re: Map help? on 07/22/2012 09:38 AM CDT
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Is there a list of found things from maps somewhere on epedia? I could contribute all the garbage i have found
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Re: Map help? on 07/22/2012 01:38 PM CDT
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I don't think there is a major push to get stuff listed. I add stuff when I can, though.

If there's a way to automatically list all items with the source of maps on the page about them, I'm not aware of it.



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Re: Map help? on 07/23/2012 12:52 PM CDT
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>If there's a way to automatically list all items with the source of maps on the page about them, I'm not aware of it.

No, not easily.



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Re: Map help? on 07/23/2012 12:59 PM CDT
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Well what about putting "Treasure System" as a source for the item? What does that require? Just setting up a page for it?

That way any search of the item database would pull those items as results.



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Re: Map help? on 07/23/2012 01:01 PM CDT
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>Well what about putting "Treasure System" as a source for the item? What does that require? Just setting up a page for it?

It would require a rewrite of all the item templates, forms, and queries. I'm thinking about how best to do it.



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Re: Map help? on 07/23/2012 01:02 PM CDT
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If "treasure system" could be added as a tag like cleric only, cambrinth, etc, I'd gladly go through and set up all the items I already entered into epedia.

I know there's a "rare" tag, too, that I think is meant to be used for auction items and the like, but it wasn't formally introduced into the template form just yet.



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Re: Map help? on 07/23/2012 01:04 PM CDT
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>>"treasure system" could be added as a tag

That's an idea. Or even in the "basic properties" fields.



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Re: Map help? on 07/23/2012 01:07 PM CDT
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I'll just say neither of those are quite as simple as it seems, but that's the best looking option so far though. Let me think on it a little bit.



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Re: Map help? on 07/23/2012 01:08 PM CDT
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>>I'll just say neither of those are quite as simple as it seems, but that's the best looking option so far though. Let me think on it a little bit.

Yeah, I'm saying this strictly from a user standpoint. I know retroactive changes can be a nightmare from a dev standpoint.



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Re: Map help? on 07/23/2012 04:58 PM CDT
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This may be a stupid question, but what's wrong with just creating a page of crap? You could list the page as associated with it, and so on.

I mean, I'd like the tags too, cause they'd be neat, but given this wiki is a labor of...something...rebuilding it might be asking a lot?
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Re: Map help? on 07/23/2012 05:07 PM CDT
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>>This may be a stupid question, but what's wrong with just creating a page of crap?

The amount of work it takes to archive things in the long term versus the amount of work it takes to adjust the templates in the short term.

I can't speak for the amount of work that has to be done on the form templates, but if that requires manually updating three (random number) template pages, and that results in not having to manually update two pages each time you create a new map prize entry and include it to the "prizes found via maps" page, doing the former could be a much better time investment than doing the latter.

As a comparison, it's like setting up a website to use a Content Management System (CMS). It's a lot more work to set up a CMS in the beginning than just toss stuff on your website manually. So, if you're just posting something like "this is my name, this is my resume, contact me for job openings," then setting up a CMS to manage it is a poor time investment. But if you're going to be adding a new something or other each week, then making a section where you write articles relating to your profession, etc, then a CMS might be a good initial time investment, in order to avoid having to do so much hand coding in the long run.



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Re: Map help? on 07/23/2012 05:53 PM CDT
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Maybe the GM pulled a joke on you and gave you the carved ivory fangs because you took the out on a new map :P
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