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So I was bored grinding my primary weapon and did some math.
40 wis, 47 int, 49 disc, secondary skill
335(wall)
0.72% per pulse @mindlock
7.7 hours @mindlock to rank
336(postwall).
1.55% per pulse @mindlock
3.5 hours @mindlock to rank
Anyone got some similar rank/skill set data, but with more/less mental stats to compare?
Instead of continuing to tangent I'll post this info in some other more appropriate folder, and hopefully get some other folks to give data @ similar ranks but different stats.
~Hanryu Ves'Shomis
http://drplat.com/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls
"But I say if you're going going to eat a creature alive, you have to expect some screaming. That is the carnivore's burden."
34/14/0 - 19 days
Just a few extra points.
Rank 338 (that's the one before the wall rank), moving wisdom from 40 to 41 took me from all .99% pulses to 1 in 3 being a 1.00% pulse.
Rank 339 (wall), .71% pulse @ mind lock.
So you'd have to train wisdom roughly 20 times just to get the same pulse % every 4 ranks. I know wis/int do other things besides control learning, but I think it's safe to say that mentals have a pitiful effect on learning rates at these levels (~40 stats) and if you don't care that much about the secondary effects of wis/int (other than perception, do they do anything else?) your TDPs are better spent elsewhere. I appreciate that the GMs want to slow advancement, but in summary:
LOL mentals.
~Hanryu Ves'Shomis
http://drplat.com/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls
"But I say if you're going going to eat a creature alive, you have to expect some screaming. That is the carnivore's burden."
29/14/0 - 17 days
Rank 338 (that's the one before the wall rank), moving wisdom from 40 to 41 took me from all .99% pulses to 1 in 3 being a 1.00% pulse.
Rank 339 (wall), .71% pulse @ mind lock.
So you'd have to train wisdom roughly 20 times just to get the same pulse % every 4 ranks. I know wis/int do other things besides control learning, but I think it's safe to say that mentals have a pitiful effect on learning rates at these levels (~40 stats) and if you don't care that much about the secondary effects of wis/int (other than perception, do they do anything else?) your TDPs are better spent elsewhere. I appreciate that the GMs want to slow advancement, but in summary:
LOL mentals.
~Hanryu Ves'Shomis
http://drplat.com/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls
"But I say if you're going going to eat a creature alive, you have to expect some screaming. That is the carnivore's burden."
29/14/0 - 17 days
> those 0.01% add up!
I know and agree. However I still believe that there is a marked disparity between such stats as reflex/discipline and wisdom/intel. Making wis/int more useful (particularly in the exp department) would actually be bad for my characters as I play Kaldars, but I think it would be good for the game.
~Hanryu Ves'Shomis
http://drplat.com/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls
"But I say if you're going going to eat a creature alive, you have to expect some screaming. That is the carnivore's burden."
29/14/0 - 17 days
I know and agree. However I still believe that there is a marked disparity between such stats as reflex/discipline and wisdom/intel. Making wis/int more useful (particularly in the exp department) would actually be bad for my characters as I play Kaldars, but I think it would be good for the game.
~Hanryu Ves'Shomis
http://drplat.com/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls
"But I say if you're going going to eat a creature alive, you have to expect some screaming. That is the carnivore's burden."
29/14/0 - 17 days
>>40 wis, 47 int, 49 disc, secondary skill
>>335(wall)
>>0.72% per pulse @mindlock
>>7.7 hours @mindlock to rank
60 wis, int and disc.
Secondary skill.
335 12.34%
335 13.14%
335 13.95%
335 14.75%
335 15.56%
335 16.36%
335 17.16%
335 17.97%
335 18.77%
335 19.58%
335 20.38%
10 pulse average: 0.804%
Pulses to rank: 125
Estimated time to rank: 25,000 seconds; 416.66 minutes; 6 hours, 56 minutes, 40 seconds.
~ Sage Kougen Aensworth, Magus of the Compact
Ruea says in Ilithic, "At least you're very handsome. That makes the fact that you're always right far easier to live with"
>>335(wall)
>>0.72% per pulse @mindlock
>>7.7 hours @mindlock to rank
60 wis, int and disc.
Secondary skill.
335 12.34%
335 13.14%
335 13.95%
335 14.75%
335 15.56%
335 16.36%
335 17.16%
335 17.97%
335 18.77%
335 19.58%
335 20.38%
10 pulse average: 0.804%
Pulses to rank: 125
Estimated time to rank: 25,000 seconds; 416.66 minutes; 6 hours, 56 minutes, 40 seconds.
~ Sage Kougen Aensworth, Magus of the Compact
Ruea says in Ilithic, "At least you're very handsome. That makes the fact that you're always right far easier to live with"
>>40 wis, 47 int, 49 disc, secondary skill
>>336(postwall)
>>1.55% per pulse @mindlock
>>3.5 hours @mindlock to rank
60 wis, int and disc; secondary skill.
02.83
04.56
06.28
08.00
09.73
11.45
13.17
14.90
16.62
18.34
20.07
10 pulse average: 1.724%
Pulses to rank: 59
Estimated time to rank: 11,800 seconds; 196.66 minutes; 3 hours, 16 minutes, 40 seconds.
And there's your second one.
~ Sage Kougen Aensworth, Magus of the Compact
Ruea says in Ilithic, "At least you're very handsome. That makes the fact that you're always right far easier to live with"
>>336(postwall)
>>1.55% per pulse @mindlock
>>3.5 hours @mindlock to rank
60 wis, int and disc; secondary skill.
02.83
04.56
06.28
08.00
09.73
11.45
13.17
14.90
16.62
18.34
20.07
10 pulse average: 1.724%
Pulses to rank: 59
Estimated time to rank: 11,800 seconds; 196.66 minutes; 3 hours, 16 minutes, 40 seconds.
And there's your second one.
~ Sage Kougen Aensworth, Magus of the Compact
Ruea says in Ilithic, "At least you're very handsome. That makes the fact that you're always right far easier to live with"
Best I can do (All my secondaries are either lower or higher right now):
Secondary
312(postwall)
Int/Disc 50, Wis 45
All from mindlocked
312 72.89
1.70
312 74.59
1.70
312 76.29
1.70
312 77.99
1.70
312 79.69
Kept flicking fluid during this test... but they're so consistant I figured it's good enough.
pulse average: 1.70%
Pulses to rank: 59
Estimated time to rank: 11,800 seconds; 196.66 minutes; 3 hours, 16 minutes, 40 seconds.
Which tells us that the difference between Kougen's mentals (50 int/disc --> 60, 45 wis --> 60 wis) is slightly stronger than the difference between 312 and 336 skill.
-- The Omen Speaker
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Secondary
312(postwall)
Int/Disc 50, Wis 45
All from mindlocked
312 72.89
1.70
312 74.59
1.70
312 76.29
1.70
312 77.99
1.70
312 79.69
Kept flicking fluid during this test... but they're so consistant I figured it's good enough.
pulse average: 1.70%
Pulses to rank: 59
Estimated time to rank: 11,800 seconds; 196.66 minutes; 3 hours, 16 minutes, 40 seconds.
Which tells us that the difference between Kougen's mentals (50 int/disc --> 60, 45 wis --> 60 wis) is slightly stronger than the difference between 312 and 336 skill.
-- The Omen Speaker
Caelumia whispers to Amelilu, "OOC: that would be awesome. I'd get cael a sorcery brand on her butt or something."
Amelilu whispers to Caelumia, "OOC: HAHA."
Amelilu whispers to Caelumia, "OOC: PROPERTY OF EALUIK."
Nice info guys, I appreciate that. Really helps me make some training decisions, and hopefully others will find it useful.
~Hanryu Ves'Shomis
http://drplat.com/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls
"But I say if you're going going to eat a creature alive, you have to expect some screaming. That is the carnivore's burden."
24/14/0 - 15 days
~Hanryu Ves'Shomis
http://drplat.com/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls
"But I say if you're going going to eat a creature alive, you have to expect some screaming. That is the carnivore's burden."
24/14/0 - 15 days
>Nice info guys, I appreciate that. Really helps me make some training decisions, and hopefully others will find it useful.
My takeaway was that mentals matter a LOT more on wall ranks and that in the long run I haven't wasted my effort raising mentals at all.
~ Sage Kougen Aensworth, Magus of the Compact
Ruea says in Ilithic, "At least you're very handsome. That makes the fact that you're always right far easier to live with"
My takeaway was that mentals matter a LOT more on wall ranks and that in the long run I haven't wasted my effort raising mentals at all.
~ Sage Kougen Aensworth, Magus of the Compact
Ruea says in Ilithic, "At least you're very handsome. That makes the fact that you're always right far easier to live with"
Just one more data point. Hit another wall today, 347.
~0.70% pulse @ ML
w/ level 1 RPA
~1.65% pulse @ ML
That's a pretty beefy boost, in my opinion.
~Hanryu Ves'Shomis
http://drplat.com/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls
"But I say if you're going going to eat a creature alive, you have to expect some screaming. That is the carnivore's burden."
23/14/0 - 14 days
~0.70% pulse @ ML
w/ level 1 RPA
~1.65% pulse @ ML
That's a pretty beefy boost, in my opinion.
~Hanryu Ves'Shomis
http://drplat.com/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls
"But I say if you're going going to eat a creature alive, you have to expect some screaming. That is the carnivore's burden."
23/14/0 - 14 days
Ouch for an RPA that's downright sad! If I'm doing my math right both those ranks are near the middle of a wall cycle, I wonder if RPAs are more effective at a wall, or if RPAs in TF are just suckier than RPAs in prime.
~Hanryu Ves'Shomis
http://drplat.com/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls
"But I say if you're going going to eat a creature alive, you have to expect some screaming. That is the carnivore's burden."
21/14/0 - 13 days
~Hanryu Ves'Shomis
http://drplat.com/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls
"But I say if you're going going to eat a creature alive, you have to expect some screaming. That is the carnivore's burden."
21/14/0 - 13 days
>>Ouch for an RPA that's downright sad! If I'm doing my math right both those ranks are near the middle of a wall cycle, I wonder if RPAs are more effective at a wall, or if RPAs in TF are just suckier than RPAs in prime.
I thought they said that the RPA change pushed the wall ranks back (made it act like you're on a post wall or something)
I thought they said that the RPA change pushed the wall ranks back (made it act like you're on a post wall or something)
>>I thought they said that the RPA change pushed the wall ranks back (made it act like you're on a post wall or something)
To my knowledge, this is correct. To clarify, I believe they said (for a level 1 RPA) that it pushes back your wall cycle by 1. I guess if you were on a post-wall rank, it would make it post-wall - 1, or uber post-wall.
I would speculate that higher-level RPAs simply increase the amount of cycles by 1 per level (e.g. a level 3 RPA on a wall rank would act like (wall-3)), but that's pure speculation. Additionally there's also the bit boost that a GM posted about recently. To wit:
[GM Lohkrian]
"Under the maniacal lash of Zeyurn, I have added an additional bonus to RPAs.
On top of their already substantial previous bonuses, they will now actually add bonus experience to what you would normally accrue. This should mean your pools drain at the same speed as they did previously, but your ranks go up faster. As before, the bigger the RPA, the more marked the effect.
This is currently live in Prime and Plat, and will hit TF once I prove that I did not thrash the entire exp system."
http://www.play.net/forums/messages.asp?forum=20&category=4&topic=11&message=4444
~player of Gulphphunger
To my knowledge, this is correct. To clarify, I believe they said (for a level 1 RPA) that it pushes back your wall cycle by 1. I guess if you were on a post-wall rank, it would make it post-wall - 1, or uber post-wall.
I would speculate that higher-level RPAs simply increase the amount of cycles by 1 per level (e.g. a level 3 RPA on a wall rank would act like (wall-3)), but that's pure speculation. Additionally there's also the bit boost that a GM posted about recently. To wit:
[GM Lohkrian]
"Under the maniacal lash of Zeyurn, I have added an additional bonus to RPAs.
On top of their already substantial previous bonuses, they will now actually add bonus experience to what you would normally accrue. This should mean your pools drain at the same speed as they did previously, but your ranks go up faster. As before, the bigger the RPA, the more marked the effect.
This is currently live in Prime and Plat, and will hit TF once I prove that I did not thrash the entire exp system."
http://www.play.net/forums/messages.asp?forum=20&category=4&topic=11&message=4444
~player of Gulphphunger
I'm not sure about this whole pushing back a level in the cycle business, looks more like pushing forward. Based on what I'm seeing, activating level 1 RPAs on wall ranks puts me in a post wall pulse mode for that rank plus ~.10%
Maybe we're saying the same thing and it's a matter of unclear terminology,
~Hanryu Ves'Shomis
http://drplat.com/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls
"But I say if you're going going to eat a creature alive, you have to expect some screaming. That is the carnivore's burden."
21/14/0 - 13 days
Maybe we're saying the same thing and it's a matter of unclear terminology,
~Hanryu Ves'Shomis
http://drplat.com/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls
"But I say if you're going going to eat a creature alive, you have to expect some screaming. That is the carnivore's burden."
21/14/0 - 13 days
>>I'm not sure about this whole pushing back a level in the cycle business, looks more like pushing forward. Based on what I'm seeing, activating level 1 RPAs on wall ranks puts me in a post wall pulse mode for that rank plus ~.10%
Interesting.
>>Maybe we're saying the same thing and it's a matter of unclear terminology,
No, definitely different things. I was thinking that activating an RPA on a wall rank made it behave essentially like the rank before the wall rank, and so on up the cycle.
On the plus side, I've been in a training mode lately and I was going to burn an RPA on my next hunt because my primary weapon happens to be on a wall, so I should have some specific info on this in the next couple days. I'll probably post it in the Experience folder, though, since it's a bit more relevant there.
~player of Gulphphunger
Interesting.
>>Maybe we're saying the same thing and it's a matter of unclear terminology,
No, definitely different things. I was thinking that activating an RPA on a wall rank made it behave essentially like the rank before the wall rank, and so on up the cycle.
On the plus side, I've been in a training mode lately and I was going to burn an RPA on my next hunt because my primary weapon happens to be on a wall, so I should have some specific info on this in the next couple days. I'll probably post it in the Experience folder, though, since it's a bit more relevant there.
~player of Gulphphunger
<<I'm not sure about this whole pushing back a level in the cycle business, looks more like pushing forward.
That is my experience. I typically use an RPA to push through the final rank of a wall rank. The results appear to be post-wall rank (with a bit of umph) absorbtion.
Madigan
When soldiers have been baptized in the fire of a battle-field, they have all one rank in my eyes.
Napoleon Bonaparte
That is my experience. I typically use an RPA to push through the final rank of a wall rank. The results appear to be post-wall rank (with a bit of umph) absorbtion.
Madigan
When soldiers have been baptized in the fire of a battle-field, they have all one rank in my eyes.
Napoleon Bonaparte
<<I'm not sure about this whole pushing back a level in the cycle business, looks more like pushing forward.
I remember this as well. If I'm on a wall rank and use an RPA, it will act like the pre-wall rank just before it. So if 1 is post wall, and 8 is wall and I use an RPA on 8, it will act like a 7.
Gimlias Minas-Tirith
Box Seller
The Dragon's Egg
http://www.thedragonsegg.net
"I won't learn anything - even if I arrange and try to skin it with a trader's caravan"
"Why don't you roleplay a character who is NOT retarded? ~Maje
I remember this as well. If I'm on a wall rank and use an RPA, it will act like the pre-wall rank just before it. So if 1 is post wall, and 8 is wall and I use an RPA on 8, it will act like a 7.
Gimlias Minas-Tirith
Box Seller
The Dragon's Egg
http://www.thedragonsegg.net
"I won't learn anything - even if I arrange and try to skin it with a trader's caravan"
"Why don't you roleplay a character who is NOT retarded? ~Maje
>I remember this as well. If I'm on a wall rank and use an RPA, it will act like the pre-wall rank just before it. So if 1 is post wall, and 8 is wall and I use an RPA on 8, it will act like a 7.
Just wanted to repeat, that this is definitely not what I am experiencing when using Level 1 RPAs to bust through wall ranks. Wall ranks act like post wall ranks not pre wall ranks (so from 8 to 1 not 8 to 7 using your terminology). Next time I fire one up I'll locate a post wall rank and track the pulses on it.
~Hanryu Ves'Shomis
http://drplat.com/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls
"But I say if you're going going to eat a creature alive, you have to expect some screaming. That is the carnivore's burden."
19/14/0 - 12 days
Just wanted to repeat, that this is definitely not what I am experiencing when using Level 1 RPAs to bust through wall ranks. Wall ranks act like post wall ranks not pre wall ranks (so from 8 to 1 not 8 to 7 using your terminology). Next time I fire one up I'll locate a post wall rank and track the pulses on it.
~Hanryu Ves'Shomis
http://drplat.com/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls
"But I say if you're going going to eat a creature alive, you have to expect some screaming. That is the carnivore's burden."
19/14/0 - 12 days
>>Just wanted to repeat, that this is definitely not what I am experiencing when using Level 1 RPAs to bust through wall ranks. Wall ranks act like post wall ranks not pre wall ranks (so from 8 to 1 not 8 to 7 using your terminology). Next time I fire one up I'll locate a post wall rank and track the pulses on it.
That's awesome news on wall ranks. Now it makes me curious as to what happens on post-wall ranks, though. I mean, if it's just a simple push forward in the cycle, then the only time an RPA would be a benefit would be on a wall rank, and we know that's not true, and other data posted here show that it's not a straight percentage bonus, so what is it?
~player of Gulphphunger
That's awesome news on wall ranks. Now it makes me curious as to what happens on post-wall ranks, though. I mean, if it's just a simple push forward in the cycle, then the only time an RPA would be a benefit would be on a wall rank, and we know that's not true, and other data posted here show that it's not a straight percentage bonus, so what is it?
~player of Gulphphunger
>Just wanted to repeat, that this is definitely not what I am experiencing when using Level 1 RPAs to bust through wall ranks. Wall ranks act like post wall ranks not pre wall ranks (so from 8 to 1 not 8 to 7 using your terminology). Next time I fire one up I'll locate a post wall rank and track the pulses on it.
I'm more inclined to believe it works how the GMs told us it works. Especially since your results are no doubt being thrown off by the recently added extra experience boost which is a big X factor that you won't be able to account for. It's not just 8 => 7 or 8 => 1, it's 8 => 7 + X%.
~ Sage Kougen Aensworth, Magus of the Compact
Ruea says in Ilithic, "At least you're very handsome. That makes the fact that you're always right far easier to live with"
I'm more inclined to believe it works how the GMs told us it works. Especially since your results are no doubt being thrown off by the recently added extra experience boost which is a big X factor that you won't be able to account for. It's not just 8 => 7 or 8 => 1, it's 8 => 7 + X%.
~ Sage Kougen Aensworth, Magus of the Compact
Ruea says in Ilithic, "At least you're very handsome. That makes the fact that you're always right far easier to live with"
<<I'm more inclined to believe it works how the GMs told us it works. Especially since your results are no doubt being thrown off by the recently added extra experience boost which is a big X factor that you won't be able to account for. It's not just 8 => 7 or 8 => 1, it's 8 => 7 + X%.
Yeah, this makes way more sense. Otherwise the only time using an RPA would help is on wall ranks. Ever other time would actually hurt you ie 1=>2 5=>6....8=>1 would be the only time RPA would work.
I think they are definately used to drop the cycle down a notch plus the extra boost in exp gain.
Gimlias Minas-Tirith
Box Seller
The Dragon's Egg
http://www.thedragonsegg.net
"I won't learn anything - even if I arrange and try to skin it with a trader's caravan"
"Why don't you roleplay a character who is NOT retarded? ~Maje
Yeah, this makes way more sense. Otherwise the only time using an RPA would help is on wall ranks. Ever other time would actually hurt you ie 1=>2 5=>6....8=>1 would be the only time RPA would work.
I think they are definately used to drop the cycle down a notch plus the extra boost in exp gain.
Gimlias Minas-Tirith
Box Seller
The Dragon's Egg
http://www.thedragonsegg.net
"I won't learn anything - even if I arrange and try to skin it with a trader's caravan"
"Why don't you roleplay a character who is NOT retarded? ~Maje
