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I've never gone through this process before, but I'd like to have some armor of mine altered for my bard. It's the Scrip chain mail ( https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Armor:Stylish_chain_armor_inlaid_with_jeweled_musical_notes ).
I'm trying to determine if this is (1) even a possibility. If it is then (2) how is it accomplished and (3) what do I need to supply?
This is the basic idea:
> Tap: you see some dark red and gold chain armor fashioned to resemble a phoenix rising from a burning pyre.
> Look: A variety of precious gems inlaid within the links form the intricate pattern of glimmering scales and blazing flames. As the bard moves, the flames flare up and dance, the protruding wings undulate, and a low chant-like tone emanates from the shifting links.
> Rub (activate script already on the armor): The phoenix takes on a life of it's own, constricting around the bard in a roaring blaze of light and cacophony of soothing sound.
> When the effect runs out: The phoenix settles and contracts, quieting the musical flames.
In a perfect world:
> Generic Atmospheric: The wings on <bard's> armor flutter softly, accompanied by a fleeting warmth in the air.
> Spell-based atmospheric (Prepping pyre): The flames on the phoenix begin to flicker and shine as if lit from beneath.
> Spell-based atmospheric (casting pyre): The phoenix seems to bask in the unnatural warmth as the ruby eyes reflect the red-hot intensity.
> Spell-based atmospheric (casting pyre + will): The the ruby eyes of the phoenix glaze over with an icy frost as the flames take on a bluish tinge.
Hey. I'm going to lay out what I know about alterations. I don't mean to burst your bubble, just want to share what I know and what I think is likely.
It is usually possible to alter scripted items, though not always. I would think that for this particular item, you could PROBABLY at least get roughly the TAP and LOOK you want, although they will need to be changed to follow general alteration guidelines.
Check out these sources for alteration guidelines:
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Alteration
https://sites.google.com/site/thewitchsworkshop/general-alteration-rules
In short, your TAP is too long, and your look is too magical. Both could fairly easily be tweaked to fit the guidelines though.
Altering the actual messaging of the script on an item is generally NOT possible. For example, the dull serpent earcuff can be altered to be, for example, a silver kraken earcuff, and the messaging will indicate a kraken is biting the wearer rather than a serpent. However otherwise the messaging stays the same.
Adding atmospheric messaging is something I have never seen done. Doesn't mean they won't in the future, but this aspect is least likely to happen. Once (and once only) I saw the Witch offer to add 1-3 verbs to an item for around 2000 plat dokora per verb, but even then you would have to avoid magical effects.
It is usually possible to alter scripted items, though not always. I would think that for this particular item, you could PROBABLY at least get roughly the TAP and LOOK you want, although they will need to be changed to follow general alteration guidelines.
Check out these sources for alteration guidelines:
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Alteration
https://sites.google.com/site/thewitchsworkshop/general-alteration-rules
In short, your TAP is too long, and your look is too magical. Both could fairly easily be tweaked to fit the guidelines though.
Altering the actual messaging of the script on an item is generally NOT possible. For example, the dull serpent earcuff can be altered to be, for example, a silver kraken earcuff, and the messaging will indicate a kraken is biting the wearer rather than a serpent. However otherwise the messaging stays the same.
Adding atmospheric messaging is something I have never seen done. Doesn't mean they won't in the future, but this aspect is least likely to happen. Once (and once only) I saw the Witch offer to add 1-3 verbs to an item for around 2000 plat dokora per verb, but even then you would have to avoid magical effects.
<<Man, I don't know that you can add atmos to an item, and I don't think anything in-game has spell specific atmos.
You can add atmo messaging via an LTB benefit, but there's restrictions and costs 3000 points (and I'm not sure it's even currently possible to purchase.)
> prem 11 4
>>What is an EZAtmo'd item?
>>An EZAtmo'd item makes use of the ATMOSPHeric verb. Similar to snake charms or forehead jewelry, the messages you add to your item wil be randomly displayed to yourself and to the room. Note that the room message is seen whether you're hidden or not, so don't include your name in the room messaging.
>>The LTB option allows you to add 3 sets of messaging to a single item. The same rules as EZScripted items apply -- keep the texts short and reasonable, come prepared and the GM working on it has the ultimate final word in the design.
>>Additionally, take care to avoid making living toys. Snake charms are an example of what NOT to do with your item, but are a good example of the randomly firing messaging that defines what an EZAtmo is. Focus your messages on things like light glinting off your item or the wind causing it to flutter, rather than "Jimmy's mechanical sparrow trills out a lovely melody as it zooms around his head."
>>If you have any further questions on these new options, please direct them to the Estate Holder forums where other players or the GMs can respond.
Elanthipedia - https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page
Epedia Admins - https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Elanthipedia:Administrators
You can add atmo messaging via an LTB benefit, but there's restrictions and costs 3000 points (and I'm not sure it's even currently possible to purchase.)
> prem 11 4
>>What is an EZAtmo'd item?
>>An EZAtmo'd item makes use of the ATMOSPHeric verb. Similar to snake charms or forehead jewelry, the messages you add to your item wil be randomly displayed to yourself and to the room. Note that the room message is seen whether you're hidden or not, so don't include your name in the room messaging.
>>The LTB option allows you to add 3 sets of messaging to a single item. The same rules as EZScripted items apply -- keep the texts short and reasonable, come prepared and the GM working on it has the ultimate final word in the design.
>>Additionally, take care to avoid making living toys. Snake charms are an example of what NOT to do with your item, but are a good example of the randomly firing messaging that defines what an EZAtmo is. Focus your messages on things like light glinting off your item or the wind causing it to flutter, rather than "Jimmy's mechanical sparrow trills out a lovely melody as it zooms around his head."
>>If you have any further questions on these new options, please direct them to the Estate Holder forums where other players or the GMs can respond.
Elanthipedia - https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page
Epedia Admins - https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Elanthipedia:Administrators
Not a GM, duh, but hopefully I can at least talk to what I know current GMNPCs can do. Not sure if you know this stuff or not being the first one.
1) Tap and look: no big deal.
2) I only know of one alterer that can add verbs to an item. I can't recall the name off the top of my head, but she's one of the Hollow Eve ones. I don't think that necessarily means she can edit verbs already on items, especially when it's a fancy script thing like that armor. I know when I got one of those healing earcuffs altered, I had to make sure that the item itself still worked with the way the script talked about the script working. I couldn't make the serpent biting my character's ear into a unicorn stabbing my character's ear with a horn.
3) I don't know of any alterer that adds atmospherics short of adding planetary gems to something. It would be cool, though, even if I'm some players might hate it being available (hah).
4) DEFINITELY don't know of any GMNPCs who can tweak an item to a spell being prepped.
The concept sounds totally awesome, though. I'd personally expect an atmospheric alterer showing up way before a "item responding to my spell prep" alterer.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
1) Tap and look: no big deal.
2) I only know of one alterer that can add verbs to an item. I can't recall the name off the top of my head, but she's one of the Hollow Eve ones. I don't think that necessarily means she can edit verbs already on items, especially when it's a fancy script thing like that armor. I know when I got one of those healing earcuffs altered, I had to make sure that the item itself still worked with the way the script talked about the script working. I couldn't make the serpent biting my character's ear into a unicorn stabbing my character's ear with a horn.
3) I don't know of any alterer that adds atmospherics short of adding planetary gems to something. It would be cool, though, even if I'm some players might hate it being available (hah).
4) DEFINITELY don't know of any GMNPCs who can tweak an item to a spell being prepped.
The concept sounds totally awesome, though. I'd personally expect an atmospheric alterer showing up way before a "item responding to my spell prep" alterer.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
>>You can add atmo messaging via an LTB benefit, but there's restrictions and costs 3000 points (and I'm not sure it's even currently possible to purchase.)
Totally forgot about EZ Atmo LTB Stuff, oof. So yeah, guess it can definitely be done by an alterer if an alterer that does them ever shows up. It's just not a typical thing.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
Totally forgot about EZ Atmo LTB Stuff, oof. So yeah, guess it can definitely be done by an alterer if an alterer that does them ever shows up. It's just not a typical thing.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
Okay. Good info. [Begrudgingly] drop the spell preps and general atmo for a second. What do I need to do and supply to change the look and tap? Who can I talk to to determine if the rub can change?
> In short, your TAP is too long, and your look is too magical. Both could fairly easily be tweaked to fit the guidelines though.
Helpful.
* Updated tap (does this work or do I need to count the generic "some"): Dark red and gold armor made to resemble a phoenix rising from a burning pyre
* I was hoping I could get away with the shifting look considering the current look (I tried to base it on what's already there): Polished to a lustrous finish, this stylish armor flows over the wearer's figure like a second skin. A variety of precious gems inlaid within the links form a pattern of colored musical notes, which seem to dance across the chest with movement.
>>Dark red and gold armor made to resemble a phoenix rising from a burning pyre
You probably need the "some" part. I'd personally suggest "some dark red and gold armor depicting a phoenix rising from a burning pyre," because I'm just personally trying to get my head around how it resembles that without looking super clunky to move in.
>>I was hoping I could get away with the shifting look considering...
It never hurts to try. Just have a backup just in case. I've found that the more reasonable/polite you are, the more you tend to "get away with" when it comes to alterations. Nothing super egregious, but grey area stuff that can go either way.
For your look, maybe try "Precious gems inlaid within the links form an intricate pattern of glimmering scales and blazing flames that undulate as the links shift with movement." I'm not sure what the rules are for things that cause sound, though. I could see writing something about the links causing a pleasant tone when moving, though, but I'm talking off the cuff.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
You probably need the "some" part. I'd personally suggest "some dark red and gold armor depicting a phoenix rising from a burning pyre," because I'm just personally trying to get my head around how it resembles that without looking super clunky to move in.
>>I was hoping I could get away with the shifting look considering...
It never hurts to try. Just have a backup just in case. I've found that the more reasonable/polite you are, the more you tend to "get away with" when it comes to alterations. Nothing super egregious, but grey area stuff that can go either way.
For your look, maybe try "Precious gems inlaid within the links form an intricate pattern of glimmering scales and blazing flames that undulate as the links shift with movement." I'm not sure what the rules are for things that cause sound, though. I could see writing something about the links causing a pleasant tone when moving, though, but I'm talking off the cuff.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
> some dark red and gold armor depicting a phoenix rising from a burning pyre,
I'll play with it. The idea was that the armor was in the shape of a phoenix rather than painted with a phoenix. Almost like a phoenix costume. If that's not coming across then I need to finagle it a little more.
> Just have a backup just in case.
Good advice.
> because I'm just personally trying to get my head around how it resembles that without looking super clunky to move in.
I'm thinking of something with a cut like this, minus the cloak: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8jC_Z8CEAAAh0a.png
With a color scheme like this, but mix in red chains and small gems to give shifting fire effect: http://i.imgur.com/k85v6qJ.jpg
With the breastplate being made of links shaped to look like scales. Something like this, but more minutely made and form fitting: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/c6/31/29/c6312978e61059cb7979b4cca47e3ef8.jpg
And with wings like this, but obviously red and a tad smaller: http://static-2.nexusmods.com/15/mods/110/images/17729-3-1338083398.jpg
For what it's worth, I've sometimes given GMs a look/tap and a link to an image that kinda also resembles what I'm going for.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
I agree that it was hard to wrap my head around the idea of armor that "looked like a phoenix". The pictures really helped. I had a go at an idea that fits the guidelines if you'd like to use any part for inspiration:
some dark crimson chain armor bearing brilliant gold swept-wing pauldrons.
Lustrous links of tightly-woven chain create a nearly seamless, form-fitting armor in the deep red color of smoldering embers. Reaching up each side are lines of twisting flame, the links plated in bright golds and silvers so that any movement creates an undulating pattern of light. Upon each shoulder is an outstretched wing of polished gold reaching high toward the sky.
Also I don't know if you care to keep the sound part, but you might do it with something like this:
Tiny cylindrical bells are sewn into the seams, making a faint chiming sound as the wearer moves.
some dark crimson chain armor bearing brilliant gold swept-wing pauldrons.
Lustrous links of tightly-woven chain create a nearly seamless, form-fitting armor in the deep red color of smoldering embers. Reaching up each side are lines of twisting flame, the links plated in bright golds and silvers so that any movement creates an undulating pattern of light. Upon each shoulder is an outstretched wing of polished gold reaching high toward the sky.
Also I don't know if you care to keep the sound part, but you might do it with something like this:
Tiny cylindrical bells are sewn into the seams, making a faint chiming sound as the wearer moves.
Tiny cylindrical bells are woven atop the links, making a faint chiming sound as the wearer moves.
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