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I dont think the "alignment" of our spells should be based simply on what favors we choose to acquire. Aside from the simplicity of the system it can create problems. Just because someone choose a "light" aspect to seek favor with doesn't mean they don't consider themselves neutral keepers of balance. And there are quite a few people who choose to worship primary aspects because they believe the light/dark aspects are simply different personalities of the primary aspect.
And finally some dieties given alignment seems abit out of place. For example (and admittedly this affects me personally), choosing Urrem'tier to worship makes one neutral. While from a system standpoint having all the main dieties "neutral" makes sense; it hardly does so from a game or lore perspective. Urrem'tier IMHO should give you "dark" alignment as well as his negative aspect. Heck maybe even his positive aspect as well but I won't go there. While Urrem'tier doesn't act out of malice, his goals are hardly "neutral".
I'm sure many would disagree with me on this point but thats fine, the whole point is we the cleric should be able to choose our alignment in addition to choosing a diety. Why cant you be an insane priest of Chadatru who kills the innocent because you believe their bound to commit crimes eventually or a priest of Idon who while fully indulging in the lustful aspect of Idon's nature is a very decent fellow who helps those in need and just doesn't care much about the law and hence would be of "positive" alignment.
To sum up, I think we need a method of choosing alignment, whether it be a simple OOC toggle or a quest. Prefer the quest of course but I'll be happy with a toggle.
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What Terkowitzm said. Look at the difference between Urrem'tier and Aldauth and you'll see why Urrem'tier is neutral and Aldauth dark.
Urrem'tier is the last of the Immortals to be infused with a part of the One Creator, and therefore was endowed with the least amount of Substance and the largest amount of the Void. It is a misnomer to refer to him as a god or Immortal or even a demon. Neither Evil or Good, an audience with Urrem'tier is a destination that all living things share. The embodiment of Death, he consumes life without malice or intent. It is to Urrem'tier's embrace all living things go to, and his fetid grasp would claim all things for all eternity were it not for the efforts of the other Immortals on the behalf of their creations. Urrem'tier's touch leaves a stain on all it caresses any who would return from his domain must be ritually cleansed first.
The faceless god of agony, sadists both fear and worship Aldauth. Aldauth's deaths are always painful, perhaps the worst of all, and his victims kick and scream their way to his void. Aldauth will taunt and trick people out of their lives, and he delights in seeing people die foolishly. He is a scavenger, often ghosting about the battlefield at the end of long campaigns to wring the last ounce of pain from the dying.
Urrem'tier is the last of the Immortals to be infused with a part of the One Creator, and therefore was endowed with the least amount of Substance and the largest amount of the Void. It is a misnomer to refer to him as a god or Immortal or even a demon. Neither Evil or Good, an audience with Urrem'tier is a destination that all living things share. The embodiment of Death, he consumes life without malice or intent. It is to Urrem'tier's embrace all living things go to, and his fetid grasp would claim all things for all eternity were it not for the efforts of the other Immortals on the behalf of their creations. Urrem'tier's touch leaves a stain on all it caresses any who would return from his domain must be ritually cleansed first.
The faceless god of agony, sadists both fear and worship Aldauth. Aldauth's deaths are always painful, perhaps the worst of all, and his victims kick and scream their way to his void. Aldauth will taunt and trick people out of their lives, and he delights in seeing people die foolishly. He is a scavenger, often ghosting about the battlefield at the end of long campaigns to wring the last ounce of pain from the dying.
What Smeggers said.
Anyway, there are the neutral deities- which is what you get favors for from the Siergelde ruins. Then there are the light and dark aspects- which some clerics prefer to get favors from. For example, some clerics get favors from Berengaria, which is a light aspect. Others get favors from Asketi, which is dark. And that is where you see the spell effects.
Now, it is true that there isn't an alignment system as such, at least yet. But the idea has been knocked around.
Ryeka
Sometimes the key to happiness is not assuming it is locked in the first place- Ziggy
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Anyway, there are the neutral deities- which is what you get favors for from the Siergelde ruins. Then there are the light and dark aspects- which some clerics prefer to get favors from. For example, some clerics get favors from Berengaria, which is a light aspect. Others get favors from Asketi, which is dark. And that is where you see the spell effects.
Now, it is true that there isn't an alignment system as such, at least yet. But the idea has been knocked around.
Ryeka
Sometimes the key to happiness is not assuming it is locked in the first place- Ziggy
A journey of a thousand SMILES begins with a single step- Ziggy
Don't get me wrong, I think you should be able to select independent of what your last favor was. But that said, I firmly believe that Urrem should be a neutral god with all the other neutral gods.
If you really want to change your spell color just get an Aldauth favor and keep RPing Urrem. It's not like anyone can actually tell which god your favor was from (or that it makes any difference other than spell color).
If you really want to change your spell color just get an Aldauth favor and keep RPing Urrem. It's not like anyone can actually tell which god your favor was from (or that it makes any difference other than spell color).
I understand and respect your views. In general I would agree that Urrem'tier is neutral. However please note the following section concerning Urrem'tier:
"...It is to Urrem'tier's embrace all living things go to, and his fetid grasp would claim all things for all eternity were it not for the efforts of the other Immortals on the behalf of their creations. Urrem'tier's touch leaves a stain on all it caresses; any who would return from his domain must be ritually cleansed first"
Anotherwords he doesn't just sit around by the welcome mat waiting for people to die. He desires to consume everything into the void and the other immortals keep him in line. He also leaves a "stain" on anything he touches. Doesn't sound very neutral to me. He might not gain pleasure from his actions or feel much emotion but that doesn't change the impact of his goals. But again thats the whole point of independent spell flavor choice. We don't have to agree, and I should have the tools to act out what a I believe a Priest of U would do and black spellfire instead of silver would go along way. Yes I thought about just getting a different favor orb but your last favor does affect other things, the greeting you get from the crossing monk and the ressurection spell for example.
"...It is to Urrem'tier's embrace all living things go to, and his fetid grasp would claim all things for all eternity were it not for the efforts of the other Immortals on the behalf of their creations. Urrem'tier's touch leaves a stain on all it caresses; any who would return from his domain must be ritually cleansed first"
Anotherwords he doesn't just sit around by the welcome mat waiting for people to die. He desires to consume everything into the void and the other immortals keep him in line. He also leaves a "stain" on anything he touches. Doesn't sound very neutral to me. He might not gain pleasure from his actions or feel much emotion but that doesn't change the impact of his goals. But again thats the whole point of independent spell flavor choice. We don't have to agree, and I should have the tools to act out what a I believe a Priest of U would do and black spellfire instead of silver would go along way. Yes I thought about just getting a different favor orb but your last favor does affect other things, the greeting you get from the crossing monk and the ressurection spell for example.
"the whole point is we the cleric should be able to choose our alignment in addition to choosing a diety."
The flavor of the spells reflects the God you have designated as your primary god by choosing that favor. I don't even think of it as being your characters alignment, but a reflection of the alignment of the God you have chosen.
That being said, I really never even notice the alignment colors of my spells, so perhaps I don't care as much.
The flavor of the spells reflects the God you have designated as your primary god by choosing that favor. I don't even think of it as being your characters alignment, but a reflection of the alignment of the God you have chosen.
That being said, I really never even notice the alignment colors of my spells, so perhaps I don't care as much.
>That being said, I really never even notice the alignment colors of my spells, so perhaps I don't care as much.
Amazing. I have a dark Unicorn. And any time I cast Benediction, I voice a plea to Asketi. I always notice these ;)
And any time I do "pray god", I always do so to Asketi and laugh anytime someone gives me a funny look.
Amazing. I have a dark Unicorn. And any time I cast Benediction, I voice a plea to Asketi. I always notice these ;)
And any time I do "pray god", I always do so to Asketi and laugh anytime someone gives me a funny look.
>>Anotherwords he doesn't just sit around by the welcome mat waiting for people to die. He desires to consume everything into the void and the other immortals keep him in line. He also leaves a "stain" on anything he touches. Doesn't sound very neutral to me. He might not gain pleasure from his actions or feel much emotion but that doesn't change the impact of his goals.
You really need to analyze what the word "Neutral" means. Urremtier above any other god is Neutral in everything. He's probably what you would call "True Neutral". He cares little about how you die, what you did in your life, or who you are it is all the same to him. He does not discriminate, he does not instigate, he simply takes your soul to the void. Unlike his dark and light aspects, he doesn't try to comfort people or torture them in their last moments. He simply does what he does.
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I want to confess all my sins. But my heart is empty. That emptiness is a Mirror and when I stare into it I only see my reflection and feel insolence and rage.
-The Seventh Seal
You really need to analyze what the word "Neutral" means. Urremtier above any other god is Neutral in everything. He's probably what you would call "True Neutral". He cares little about how you die, what you did in your life, or who you are it is all the same to him. He does not discriminate, he does not instigate, he simply takes your soul to the void. Unlike his dark and light aspects, he doesn't try to comfort people or torture them in their last moments. He simply does what he does.
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I want to confess all my sins. But my heart is empty. That emptiness is a Mirror and when I stare into it I only see my reflection and feel insolence and rage.
-The Seventh Seal
