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>>Light aspects, dark aspects. You, me. No-violence, violence.
These are OOC forums.
I think your view-point is valid. Often times people macro-report or whine whenever something does not fit their narrow definition of roleplay, and many people are not as amenable to dangerous roleplay or conflictual roleplay as they might be.
But then snerts aren't roleplayers. That's the whole idea.
Honestly, when someone says "I will kill you if you Rejuve this man," what am I supposed to do?
A) I think it's questionable if this will actually, OOCly, give him consent, since the warning aspect (WARN COMBAT) of the entire consent system seems founded on harrassment.
B) I know the snert in question is not a roleplayer. I have dealt with him on other characters, he's a snert who probably hates his job and comes into DR to grief people to make himself feel better.
So what am I, as a player or a character either, supposed to do? Apis is a Cleric of Chadatru and conducts himself based on a system of strict honor. He'll rejuve anyone, anytime, even his enemies (e.g., I'd rejuve the snert who threatened me).
As a player I know he is clearly mis-using warn combat. He's a snert, he won't report. I could log Malkien in and wipe the floor with him by immobilizing him with Banshee's Wail, but then this invites him to log in his 80-some Thief and reciprocate. Do I even WANT to go there? No, I don't. And I hate reporting. But what am I supposed to do? This is not the IC conflicts that I always gladly welcome.
Just make the room no-violence and be done with it. If I want to spar I will move one room away.
You are Malkien, a dashing Barbarian. Huzzah!
You are Apis, a legendary Cleric in your own head.
You are Ragesong. What sort of Kaldar is a Bard, anyways, doofus?
You are also Pellazan (WM), Essatariol (Ranger) and running out of sig space.
>>Honestly, when someone says "I will kill you if you Rejuve this man," what am I supposed to do?
This doesn't grant consent.
Wanting the guildhall to be a safe zone because "I don't want unconsented PvP but I don't want to report or leave the room either!" is rather ridiculous. You are eliminating your options yourself.
The Crossing guild certainly has problems with non-clerics killing. The solution is giving clerics more power to moderate it, not removing our ability to smite the heathens. Fortunately, Lirrak seems to have been pursuing the former.
~Aeth
This doesn't grant consent.
Wanting the guildhall to be a safe zone because "I don't want unconsented PvP but I don't want to report or leave the room either!" is rather ridiculous. You are eliminating your options yourself.
The Crossing guild certainly has problems with non-clerics killing. The solution is giving clerics more power to moderate it, not removing our ability to smite the heathens. Fortunately, Lirrak seems to have been pursuing the former.
~Aeth
>>A) I think it's questionable if this will actually, OOCly, give him consent, since the warning aspect (WARN COMBAT) of the entire consent system seems founded on harrassment.
Hey, Dim, this is a point of curiosity for me. Could you get a GM's opinion on the matter? Whoever can provide an authoritative judgement, anyways.
-- Holy Scholar Diarik Erasto, Arcane Researcher, in search of spiritweaving.
http://www.rangerrawb.com/wiki/index.php/User:Diarik
http://www.livejournal.com/users/pensive-spirit/
Hey, Dim, this is a point of curiosity for me. Could you get a GM's opinion on the matter? Whoever can provide an authoritative judgement, anyways.
-- Holy Scholar Diarik Erasto, Arcane Researcher, in search of spiritweaving.
http://www.rangerrawb.com/wiki/index.php/User:Diarik
http://www.livejournal.com/users/pensive-spirit/
>> Armifer I'm not sure if you're aware but they can come right back after being tossed if they are savvy enough to know about the tunnels. The back door is WIDE OPEN.
It's Cleric-only now, which makes absolutely no sense since the back door is supposed to be used during invasions and the like so people can get back to their graves.
That's alright, though, because there are still other ways of getting in while banned. :)
>> But then snerts aren't roleplayers. That's the whole idea.
You seem to be asserting that likes PvP == snert == not a roleplayer. Your assertion is grossly incorrect. I for one take offense to it.
I like PvP. I also like roleplaying. I happen to do quite a bit of both. I also happen to kill people in the Cleric's guild from time to time, because there are certain people that will attempt to use their location as some kind of shield against being popped for having a big mouth. Despite being reported for it (even by people who aren't even involved in the conflict!) I've never been warned for doing so.
Funny, that.
Rev. Reene
[Zukir] "Rawr! Down with Moonies!"
It's Cleric-only now, which makes absolutely no sense since the back door is supposed to be used during invasions and the like so people can get back to their graves.
That's alright, though, because there are still other ways of getting in while banned. :)
>> But then snerts aren't roleplayers. That's the whole idea.
You seem to be asserting that likes PvP == snert == not a roleplayer. Your assertion is grossly incorrect. I for one take offense to it.
I like PvP. I also like roleplaying. I happen to do quite a bit of both. I also happen to kill people in the Cleric's guild from time to time, because there are certain people that will attempt to use their location as some kind of shield against being popped for having a big mouth. Despite being reported for it (even by people who aren't even involved in the conflict!) I've never been warned for doing so.
Funny, that.
Rev. Reene
[Zukir] "Rawr! Down with Moonies!"
>I also happen to kill people in the Cleric's guild from time to time, because there are certain people that will attempt to use their location as some kind of shield against being popped for having a big mouth.
You can walk into someone elses home and put your muddy feet on thier coffee table, still doesn't make it right.
-Entyycement
You can walk into someone elses home and put your muddy feet on thier coffee table, still doesn't make it right.
-Entyycement
I actually believe it's possible to remove someone by yourself in other guilds if you are high enough, so I see no problem in letting a single high circle Cleric remove someone.
However, if that occurs, there should probably be some way of allowing someone back in as well. Perhaps by getting Clerics together whose combined circles exceed the circle of the person or people that removed in the first place.
Rev. Reene
[Zukir] "Rawr! Down with Moonies!"
However, if that occurs, there should probably be some way of allowing someone back in as well. Perhaps by getting Clerics together whose combined circles exceed the circle of the person or people that removed in the first place.
Rev. Reene
[Zukir] "Rawr! Down with Moonies!"
>>You can walk into someone elses home and put your muddy feet on thier coffee table, still doesn't make it right.
Yeah, but we make allowances for bloody and torn up corpses, and that leaves much worse stains than a bit of mud or dirt.
Syralon
Cleric of Ushnish
Airanie whispers, "are you raising?"
>whisper air I don't deal with corpses.
Airanie whispers, "ah I'm sorry thought you were a cleric, my apologies"
Yeah, but we make allowances for bloody and torn up corpses, and that leaves much worse stains than a bit of mud or dirt.
Syralon
Cleric of Ushnish
Airanie whispers, "are you raising?"
>whisper air I don't deal with corpses.
Airanie whispers, "ah I'm sorry thought you were a cleric, my apologies"
>The Clerics don't need to rejuve every corpse that drop in front of them, and if the victim himself is consenting to the PvP scene, it may just be best to let the dead lie for awhile. -Armifer
I'll throw my two cents in. The orginal poster was complaining that they are "tired of watching people get ressurected and then killed even before they have gotten the first breath inside of them." and "get to stand inside the cleric guild and just brag". People like this are a nuisance, I can't imagine this would happen in another guild to the extent that it happens in the Crossing Clerics guild and if it did, I can't imagine it'd be put up with as long as it has.
I agree one Cleric of a certain circle should be able to do the toss, from inside the guild.
Bambina
I'll throw my two cents in. The orginal poster was complaining that they are "tired of watching people get ressurected and then killed even before they have gotten the first breath inside of them." and "get to stand inside the cleric guild and just brag". People like this are a nuisance, I can't imagine this would happen in another guild to the extent that it happens in the Crossing Clerics guild and if it did, I can't imagine it'd be put up with as long as it has.
I agree one Cleric of a certain circle should be able to do the toss, from inside the guild.
Bambina
>>There's thirty-nine gods in the pantheon and a lot of them like exactly the opposite stuff as some of the others. The list of things that are actually unholy in the religion of the Immortals is pretty small, and stealing, murder, and mayhem would not logically be on that list.
>>It's entirely possible the Cleric Guild as the mortal organization -- both due to leaning towards Light Aspects, and due to political and legal realities -- would frown on mayhem, but there's no reason for Urrem'tier to be upset.
Not about the concept of mayhem, but I really doubt he'd be so careless as to ride that wave all the way into the World Dragon's hungry maw nor be able to see that coming from a long way aways. He can't rule the Cosmos if he's forced to take a detour through the World Dragon.
J'Lo, no that other one
The Manipulation List -- http://symphaena.com/index.html
>>It's entirely possible the Cleric Guild as the mortal organization -- both due to leaning towards Light Aspects, and due to political and legal realities -- would frown on mayhem, but there's no reason for Urrem'tier to be upset.
Not about the concept of mayhem, but I really doubt he'd be so careless as to ride that wave all the way into the World Dragon's hungry maw nor be able to see that coming from a long way aways. He can't rule the Cosmos if he's forced to take a detour through the World Dragon.
J'Lo, no that other one
The Manipulation List -- http://symphaena.com/index.html
"It would cause more problems than it fixes."
Problems for whom? Sounds like it would mostly cause problems for those who like to kill folks in the clerics guild.
"I also happen to kill people in the Cleric's guild from time to time, because there are certain people that will attempt to use their location as some kind of shield against being popped for having a big mouth."
All I can say, is that your victims must be rather stupid then- expecting to be safe in the clerics guilds from snerts and killers is like expecting to be safe from the sun in Arizona.
I was really trying to ride this one out, but the drivel just keeps on coming. There are those who have a self interest in ensuring that the clerics guild remain a viable place to kill without any bad repercussions. They don't have the patience to wait for them to step out on the street, and frankly have a sense of entitlement to be able to kill anyone they want in the clerics guild.
Remove the alternate ways to get around the ban. Allow a single cleric of significant stature to ban someone. Clue in the monk automatically to throw out the killer as soon as the killing takes place. Throw in a stun while we are at it- anyone who has tried advancing on the priest in the swamp would know the stun I am talking about.
None of this workable? Then use the Warmie approach and put a ban on violence in place until a better solution is worked out.
It is the clerics guild. Guests who kill within our guild should have their visiting privelages revoked until they learn better manners.
Problems for whom? Sounds like it would mostly cause problems for those who like to kill folks in the clerics guild.
"I also happen to kill people in the Cleric's guild from time to time, because there are certain people that will attempt to use their location as some kind of shield against being popped for having a big mouth."
All I can say, is that your victims must be rather stupid then- expecting to be safe in the clerics guilds from snerts and killers is like expecting to be safe from the sun in Arizona.
I was really trying to ride this one out, but the drivel just keeps on coming. There are those who have a self interest in ensuring that the clerics guild remain a viable place to kill without any bad repercussions. They don't have the patience to wait for them to step out on the street, and frankly have a sense of entitlement to be able to kill anyone they want in the clerics guild.
Remove the alternate ways to get around the ban. Allow a single cleric of significant stature to ban someone. Clue in the monk automatically to throw out the killer as soon as the killing takes place. Throw in a stun while we are at it- anyone who has tried advancing on the priest in the swamp would know the stun I am talking about.
None of this workable? Then use the Warmie approach and put a ban on violence in place until a better solution is worked out.
It is the clerics guild. Guests who kill within our guild should have their visiting privelages revoked until they learn better manners.
>>I was really trying to ride this one out, but the drivel just keeps on coming.
It's the conflict folder.
At least it's fun drivel. Or something.
Syralon
Cleric of Ushnish
Airanie whispers, "are you raising?"
>whisper air I don't deal with corpses.
Airanie whispers, "ah I'm sorry thought you were a cleric, my apologies"
It's the conflict folder.
At least it's fun drivel. Or something.
Syralon
Cleric of Ushnish
Airanie whispers, "are you raising?"
>whisper air I don't deal with corpses.
Airanie whispers, "ah I'm sorry thought you were a cleric, my apologies"
>> There are those who have a self interest in ensuring that the clerics guild remain a viable place to kill without any bad repercussions.
While I won't deny I have a personal interest in this, there are plenty of repercussions for killing. Your unwillingness or inability to use the mechanics at your disposal for dealing with people is not anyone else's problem nor should it be.
Rev. Reene
[Zukir] "Rawr! Down with Moonies!"
While I won't deny I have a personal interest in this, there are plenty of repercussions for killing. Your unwillingness or inability to use the mechanics at your disposal for dealing with people is not anyone else's problem nor should it be.
Rev. Reene
[Zukir] "Rawr! Down with Moonies!"
"Your unwillingness or inability to use the mechanics at your disposal for dealing with people is not anyone else's problem nor should it be."
Actually- since my character is a cleric and since I am advocating for changes to the mechanics within clerics guild, I am hoping it will become someone else's problem. I really don't care what non-clerics think of the proposals. Syralon and I disagree, but he has a right to an opinion in the matter.
Actually- since my character is a cleric and since I am advocating for changes to the mechanics within clerics guild, I am hoping it will become someone else's problem. I really don't care what non-clerics think of the proposals. Syralon and I disagree, but he has a right to an opinion in the matter.
>>It's Cleric-only now, which makes absolutely no sense since the back door is supposed to be used during invasions and the like so people can get back to their graves.<<
They are the Cleric Escape tunnels and Esuin found out that someone was circumventing the Guard at the front door. So until a proper guard can be trained and placed at the tunnel the entrance will remain Cleric Only.
GM Lirrak
Cleric Liaison
They are the Cleric Escape tunnels and Esuin found out that someone was circumventing the Guard at the front door. So until a proper guard can be trained and placed at the tunnel the entrance will remain Cleric Only.
GM Lirrak
Cleric Liaison
>You assume I haven't played a Cleric before and am not currently playing one now.
>Bad assumption.
I would imagine you made one after the last time you got banned since I have'nt seen you post from a Clerical viewpoint before. I also want to thank you for bragging about bypassing the monk and using the tunnels to get back in because I bet that was what got the attention of the GM that fixed that.
-Entyycement
>Bad assumption.
I would imagine you made one after the last time you got banned since I have'nt seen you post from a Clerical viewpoint before. I also want to thank you for bragging about bypassing the monk and using the tunnels to get back in because I bet that was what got the attention of the GM that fixed that.
-Entyycement
>> I would imagine you made one after the last time you got banned since I have'nt seen you post from a Clerical viewpoint before.
I made another one recently, yes. I've also played two separate Clerics to over 30th, and another one to nearly 20th before the account it was on was closed. Actually, you knew that one, and was friendly with it.
>> I also want to thank you for bragging about bypassing the monk and using the tunnels to get back in because I bet that was what got the attention of the GM that fixed that.
You're welcome. The other way in still works, so it's more of an inconvenience than anything.
Rev. Reene
[Zukir] "Rawr! Down with Moonies!"
I made another one recently, yes. I've also played two separate Clerics to over 30th, and another one to nearly 20th before the account it was on was closed. Actually, you knew that one, and was friendly with it.
>> I also want to thank you for bragging about bypassing the monk and using the tunnels to get back in because I bet that was what got the attention of the GM that fixed that.
You're welcome. The other way in still works, so it's more of an inconvenience than anything.
Rev. Reene
[Zukir] "Rawr! Down with Moonies!"
>>I agree one Cleric of a certain circle should be able to do the toss, from inside the guild.
Fourthed. Or tenthed.
-- Holy Scholar Diarik Erasto, Arcane Researcher, in search of spiritweaving.
http://www.rangerrawb.com/wiki/index.php/User:Diarik
http://www.livejournal.com/users/pensive-spirit/
Fourthed. Or tenthed.
-- Holy Scholar Diarik Erasto, Arcane Researcher, in search of spiritweaving.
http://www.rangerrawb.com/wiki/index.php/User:Diarik
http://www.livejournal.com/users/pensive-spirit/
>>Nope, just different definitions.
What, can only people who self-identify on the forums as Cleric primaries have valid opinions about the guild?
Syralon
Cleric of Ushnish
Airanie whispers, "are you raising?"
>whisper air I don't deal with corpses.
Airanie whispers, "ah I'm sorry thought you were a cleric, my apologies"
What, can only people who self-identify on the forums as Cleric primaries have valid opinions about the guild?
Syralon
Cleric of Ushnish
Airanie whispers, "are you raising?"
>whisper air I don't deal with corpses.
Airanie whispers, "ah I'm sorry thought you were a cleric, my apologies"
>>maybe someone can help me? why are some clerics so protective over the raise they just did? or is it just a protective thing over the guildhall?
Probably a combo of the guildhall thing coupled with the perceived waste of effort they just put into the raise.
Disregarding the fact it gives them another shot at a ressurection favor, anyway...
Syralon
Cleric of Ushnish
Airanie whispers, "are you raising?"
>whisper air I don't deal with corpses.
Airanie whispers, "ah I'm sorry thought you were a cleric, my apologies"
Probably a combo of the guildhall thing coupled with the perceived waste of effort they just put into the raise.
Disregarding the fact it gives them another shot at a ressurection favor, anyway...
Syralon
Cleric of Ushnish
Airanie whispers, "are you raising?"
>whisper air I don't deal with corpses.
Airanie whispers, "ah I'm sorry thought you were a cleric, my apologies"
>What, can only people who self-identify on the forums as Cleric primaries have valid opinions about the guild?
In my book yes or at the least start posting on things other then the topics that affect your non-Cleric chars otherwise I scoff at players that storm in and then use the 'I have a Cleric too' angle.
-Entyycement
In my book yes or at the least start posting on things other then the topics that affect your non-Cleric chars otherwise I scoff at players that storm in and then use the 'I have a Cleric too' angle.
-Entyycement
>>In my book yes or at the least start posting on things other then the topics that affect your non-Cleric chars otherwise I scoff at players that storm in and then use the 'I have a Cleric too' angle.
So us posting out of self-interest on the Cleric forums is OK because we say "My main character is a Cleric!", but someone posting out of self-interest who has played multiple Clerics over the years to Ressurection level and has one currently being played but would say "My main character is a Moon Mage!" doesn't have a valid opinion.
I'd comment on how a lot of the advances we're seeing lately are coming from GMs that are identified with other guilds, but I suppose dismissing the words of the non-Clerical heathen population of DR is easier when they don't have access to the development server.
Syralon
Cleric of Ushnish
Airanie whispers, "are you raising?"
>whisper air I don't deal with corpses.
Airanie whispers, "ah I'm sorry thought you were a cleric, my apologies"
So us posting out of self-interest on the Cleric forums is OK because we say "My main character is a Cleric!", but someone posting out of self-interest who has played multiple Clerics over the years to Ressurection level and has one currently being played but would say "My main character is a Moon Mage!" doesn't have a valid opinion.
I'd comment on how a lot of the advances we're seeing lately are coming from GMs that are identified with other guilds, but I suppose dismissing the words of the non-Clerical heathen population of DR is easier when they don't have access to the development server.
Syralon
Cleric of Ushnish
Airanie whispers, "are you raising?"
>whisper air I don't deal with corpses.
Airanie whispers, "ah I'm sorry thought you were a cleric, my apologies"
>>Wow you are really stretching today!
Not really.
The number of people posting on these forums these days is small. The subset of people who identify as a Cleric primary player is even smaller.
If you're going to dismiss the points or concerns of people who do play Clerics but don't have them ranked as their #1 character, it's just overly limiting discussion.
Dismissing the viewpoints of people just because you don't think they deserve to have them heard for some categorization nonsense just means we're limiting the ideas and potential new thread topics here out of some perceived slight to the guild. It's even more ridiculous when you consider how few topics on these forums aren't grounded in self-interest on the part of the poster.
Syralon
Cleric of Ushnish
Airanie whispers, "are you raising?"
>whisper air I don't deal with corpses.
Airanie whispers, "ah I'm sorry thought you were a cleric, my apologies"
Not really.
The number of people posting on these forums these days is small. The subset of people who identify as a Cleric primary player is even smaller.
If you're going to dismiss the points or concerns of people who do play Clerics but don't have them ranked as their #1 character, it's just overly limiting discussion.
Dismissing the viewpoints of people just because you don't think they deserve to have them heard for some categorization nonsense just means we're limiting the ideas and potential new thread topics here out of some perceived slight to the guild. It's even more ridiculous when you consider how few topics on these forums aren't grounded in self-interest on the part of the poster.
Syralon
Cleric of Ushnish
Airanie whispers, "are you raising?"
>whisper air I don't deal with corpses.
Airanie whispers, "ah I'm sorry thought you were a cleric, my apologies"
>>I have one observation that I think is worth mentioning. People that only seriously play one guild lack the perspective that people that play multiple guilds often have, and I think that's partly what we're seeing here.
This is also correct. Syralon is the only character I play nowadays, but Cleric is the fourth guild I tried, and I make a point to keep up with other guilds and talk to people in them.
Syralon
Cleric of Ushnish
Airanie whispers, "are you raising?"
>whisper air I don't deal with corpses.
Airanie whispers, "ah I'm sorry thought you were a cleric, my apologies"
This is also correct. Syralon is the only character I play nowadays, but Cleric is the fourth guild I tried, and I make a point to keep up with other guilds and talk to people in them.
Syralon
Cleric of Ushnish
Airanie whispers, "are you raising?"
>whisper air I don't deal with corpses.
Airanie whispers, "ah I'm sorry thought you were a cleric, my apologies"
>>People that only seriously play one guild lack the perspective that people that play multiple guilds often have, and I think that's partly what we're seeing here.
Heh, the only guild I have never played, Trader. I won't even try to give ideas and suggestions and opinions and anything else. I've played every guild there is to near 30th, 3 guilds to 30, 2 of those three to 60th +.
But far be it from me to put my two kronars towards the traders guild. I'm not qualified, at all. ::chortles::
~Dalkin~
Heh, the only guild I have never played, Trader. I won't even try to give ideas and suggestions and opinions and anything else. I've played every guild there is to near 30th, 3 guilds to 30, 2 of those three to 60th +.
But far be it from me to put my two kronars towards the traders guild. I'm not qualified, at all. ::chortles::
~Dalkin~
>maybe someone can help me? why are some clerics so protective over the raise they just did? or is it just a protective thing over the guildhall?
You know, you got me. I also don't understand the idiotic notion that you must wait until the corpse isn't bleeding AT ALL before raising 'em.
Thrall of Dergati,
Heroiklim Zortal
Take these chances
Place them in a box until a quieter time
Lights down, you up and die
You know, you got me. I also don't understand the idiotic notion that you must wait until the corpse isn't bleeding AT ALL before raising 'em.
Thrall of Dergati,
Heroiklim Zortal
Take these chances
Place them in a box until a quieter time
Lights down, you up and die
killing the recently raised, dont bother me man. killing me cause i
raised em, that upset me. :)
all this reminds me of the time I (as in verbal) divorced this couple.
she was miffed at me, i really didnt understand it. i dont take sides
in a divorce. killing your ex dont bother me, killing me for making him
your ex, thats a drag. killing me for raising said ex mate, is even
more of a drag :)
maybe someone can help me? why are some clerics so protective over the
raise they just did? or is it just a protective thing over the
guildhall?
my perspective is let them eat cake, and kill eachother, just dont kill
me, unless i deserve it.
Verbal- fun thread, i enjoyed the read. MURDER whoohoo!
raised em, that upset me. :)
all this reminds me of the time I (as in verbal) divorced this couple.
she was miffed at me, i really didnt understand it. i dont take sides
in a divorce. killing your ex dont bother me, killing me for making him
your ex, thats a drag. killing me for raising said ex mate, is even
more of a drag :)
maybe someone can help me? why are some clerics so protective over the
raise they just did? or is it just a protective thing over the
guildhall?
my perspective is let them eat cake, and kill eachother, just dont kill
me, unless i deserve it.
Verbal- fun thread, i enjoyed the read. MURDER whoohoo!
