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Does charisma help with anything other than shifting?
For the non-empath-specific stuff, it extends your autodepart timer (with 20-something Charisma Symphaena's sitting on 2 hours of dead-time now before she departs). In addition, it reduces the spirit hit from room effects and critter attacks that target it (ie, undead, the swamps, etc).
J'Lo, no that other one
J'Lo, no that other one
I haven't noticed any significant effects with 50 charisma. A GM told people at a 'con a few years ago that it was negligible. People in TF that do tests over much larger stat ranges in a shorter time say that it is not that big of an effect. Teaching scales so slowly anyway, it would have to be providing some pretty significant rank-per-point boost for it to be a 'big' effect.
~Purehand
You feel that for the moment you've learned all you can about harming shopkeepers.
~Purehand
You feel that for the moment you've learned all you can about harming shopkeepers.
>Has anyone ever done any tests with this or noticed are big effects?
>>I haven't noticed any significant effects with 50 charisma. A GM told people at a 'con a few years ago that it was negligible.
You're saying that increasing from 49-50 had a negligible effect, right? Or are you saying that all that charisma taken together has very little effect?
I recall some basic testing done several years ago that very clearly showed that in the low- and mid-circle ranges, Charisma does have a big effect on teaching, and being a student. My own anecdotal impressions are that there's a big difference teaching someone with 37 charisma as opposed to 27, all else being equal (same guild, same race, similar circle).
Whether that increase in the effect remains significant as you get above 35-40 stat points, is a different question entirely.
What were those GM comments, Pure, do you remember?
~ Player of Farman et al.
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Main_Page
>>I haven't noticed any significant effects with 50 charisma. A GM told people at a 'con a few years ago that it was negligible.
You're saying that increasing from 49-50 had a negligible effect, right? Or are you saying that all that charisma taken together has very little effect?
I recall some basic testing done several years ago that very clearly showed that in the low- and mid-circle ranges, Charisma does have a big effect on teaching, and being a student. My own anecdotal impressions are that there's a big difference teaching someone with 37 charisma as opposed to 27, all else being equal (same guild, same race, similar circle).
Whether that increase in the effect remains significant as you get above 35-40 stat points, is a different question entirely.
What were those GM comments, Pure, do you remember?
~ Player of Farman et al.
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Main_Page
I don't think raising it from 30 to 50 made me that much better of a teacher. Villya told me about the 'con comments and sent me a bunch of postings about it from the TF board, but I don't have access to them.
You know me though, i'm anti-charisma aside from reducing fines.
~Purehand
You feel that for the moment you've learned all you can about harming shopkeepers.
You know me though, i'm anti-charisma aside from reducing fines.
~Purehand
You feel that for the moment you've learned all you can about harming shopkeepers.
Moderate modifier on the strength of your Guardian Spirit. Minor modifier on shifting capability. Minor modifier on teaching effectiveness.
Beyond that, not much empath specific, but it does a bunch of other decent stuff. You're not going to change your life by training it a lot, but I wouldn't let it fall completely behind.
~Purehand
You feel that for the moment you've learned all you can about harming shopkeepers.
Beyond that, not much empath specific, but it does a bunch of other decent stuff. You're not going to change your life by training it a lot, but I wouldn't let it fall completely behind.
~Purehand
You feel that for the moment you've learned all you can about harming shopkeepers.
Manipulate. Not as important as, say, Empathy.
It's also going to gain more importance for us when non-damaging TM/shock 2.0 appear and we start getting more and more into PVP.
J'Lo, I'm a ranger.. I'd believe anything.....
The Manipulation List -- http://symphaena.com/index.html
It's also going to gain more importance for us when non-damaging TM/shock 2.0 appear and we start getting more and more into PVP.
J'Lo, I'm a ranger.. I'd believe anything.....
The Manipulation List -- http://symphaena.com/index.html
In my experience it's more than a minor modifier for teaching, although perhaps a lot of that effect is second-person. Your charisma might not have a huge effect on the teaching exp you get when teaching, but you will learn very well teaching a student who has high charisma. It's reasonable to assume that the reverse is true, that your charisma affects how well your students learn, but I can't recall any recent testing on that point.
~ Player of Farman et al.
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Main_Page
~ Player of Farman et al.
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Main_Page
Charisma also directly determines your spirit strength and thus the depart timer, so if you die a lot it's important. That's true for every guild.
~ Player of Farman et al.
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Main_Page
~ Player of Farman et al.
http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Main_Page
