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I don't expect an empath to rival a claymore swinging barbarian rank for rank, but with Guardian Spirit and spells, is hunting actually viable? Somebody should write a guide to this.
Seteria over in Plat is in fact highly effective. And I've got an empath over there who, while he will never handle weapons (rp reason), can pretty much hold his own with a hunting character his circle.
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my empath does not take tips. she hunts for her money just like the people she heals. there are several empaths that are very proficient hunters.
i train shield, armors and then brawling and can hunt just fine in ogres in crossing and swains in ratha with a little crowd control (3 are fine, 4 get a little heavy and 5 start hitting pretty regularly) Had I started out training combats regularly it would prolly be signifigantly better.
Szrael is awesome.
So yeah, hunting is totally viable.
i train shield, armors and then brawling and can hunt just fine in ogres in crossing and swains in ratha with a little crowd control (3 are fine, 4 get a little heavy and 5 start hitting pretty regularly) Had I started out training combats regularly it would prolly be signifigantly better.
Szrael is awesome.
So yeah, hunting is totally viable.
>>with Guardian Spirit and spells, is hunting actually viable?
Not in the way that non-Empaths would mean. My Empath is very combat-oriented, and only brings out her avenger if she is trying to kill someone she outclasses. The avenger dies (immediately) in her usual hunting spots. It can't even hit the things she hunts.
The avenger's strength is based solely on charisma and circles, so if the Empath devotes a disproportionate amount of time to hunting, the Empath will eventually surpass her avenger, and it will never catch up.
The majority of the combat Empaths I know have had similar experiences.
>>So yeah, hunting is totally viable.
Hunting is definitely viable, but hunting with the avenger is not, at least not long term.
The best thing about the Avenger is having a way to make money if you want to, without relying on the charity of others. But you also have to be willing to stand around in a hunting area that doesn't teach you, doing nothing but typing "search creature" every 2 minutes.
-- Player of Szrael --
\x'Empathic shock is a purely physical reaction with no moral or ethical component.\r
Not in the way that non-Empaths would mean. My Empath is very combat-oriented, and only brings out her avenger if she is trying to kill someone she outclasses. The avenger dies (immediately) in her usual hunting spots. It can't even hit the things she hunts.
The avenger's strength is based solely on charisma and circles, so if the Empath devotes a disproportionate amount of time to hunting, the Empath will eventually surpass her avenger, and it will never catch up.
The majority of the combat Empaths I know have had similar experiences.
>>So yeah, hunting is totally viable.
Hunting is definitely viable, but hunting with the avenger is not, at least not long term.
| You are certain that the alfar avenger is healthy. |
| You are certain that that the alfar avenger has an incredible spirit that is healthy. |
| You are certain that it is somewhat more agile than you are. |
| You are certain that it is rather less quick to react than you are. |
| You are certain that it is somewhat stronger than you are. |
| Taking stock of its offensive abilities, and defending with no weapon and wearing a crocodile-skin shield, you are certain that the alfar avenger is a relatively easy opponent. |
| Taking stock of its defensive abilities, and attacking with no weapon, you are certain that the alfar avenger is something you could wipe the floor with. |
The best thing about the Avenger is having a way to make money if you want to, without relying on the charity of others. But you also have to be willing to stand around in a hunting area that doesn't teach you, doing nothing but typing "search creature" every 2 minutes.
-- Player of Szrael --
\x'Empathic shock is a purely physical reaction with no moral or ethical component.\r
>>The best thing about the Avenger is having a way to make money if you want to, without relying on the charity of others. But you also have to be willing to stand around in a hunting area that doesn't teach you, doing nothing but typing "search creature" every 2 minutes.
This ^^^
You make a choice, "hunt" for profit or train. I have never EVER used my avenger to actually train.
~Arwinia
Thieves will continue to be dominated by the awesome power of the perceive health ability - that which causes rivers to dry up, babies to cry, and the earth to shake.
Stand back mortal, lest ye health be perceived.
-Ssra
This ^^^
You make a choice, "hunt" for profit or train. I have never EVER used my avenger to actually train.
~Arwinia
Thieves will continue to be dominated by the awesome power of the perceive health ability - that which causes rivers to dry up, babies to cry, and the earth to shake.
Stand back mortal, lest ye health be perceived.
-Ssra
I've made it to 61st circle without hunting at all. I might decide to start hunting at some point, and if I do, I'll have incredibly high stats and magics when starting out, as well as the ability to heal anything a critter can throw at me.
I think it's all a trade off for combat empaths. Train reflex early and be a less effective healer with lower concentration, or train magics and stats for concentration and have crappy reflex.
The advantages I can see to combat is the ability to work a ton of survival/lore skills while in combat, including armors and weapons for extra tdp's.
The disadvantage is that empaths aren't really well set up to deal with combat when it comes to tertiary armor and weapon skills, difficulty dealing with swarms, etc.
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Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
- Albert Einstein
I think it's all a trade off for combat empaths. Train reflex early and be a less effective healer with lower concentration, or train magics and stats for concentration and have crappy reflex.
The advantages I can see to combat is the ability to work a ton of survival/lore skills while in combat, including armors and weapons for extra tdp's.
The disadvantage is that empaths aren't really well set up to deal with combat when it comes to tertiary armor and weapon skills, difficulty dealing with swarms, etc.
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Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
- Albert Einstein
>>I don't expect an empath to rival a claymore swinging barbarian rank for rank, but with Guardian Spirit and spells, is hunting actually viable? Somebody should write a guide to this.
1)dump all your TDPs into charisma (this is in all likelihood going to come back to bite you in the ass due to the stated intent that the GS power formulas will be changing). Current GS power is charisma- + circle-based, and 30 charisma + 6th circle means your GS has effectively hard capped anything you might have a prayer of dancing with out the west gate of crossing.
2)EWH (1st), your choice (2nd), don't choose a spell (3rd), don't choose a spell (5th), SOP/INNOCENCE/GS (6th), whatever
3)don plate, shield, and weapon
4)go to ratha and hunt sand sprites (not only will you get rich, but you can dismiss the GS and let sprites beat on you in safety).
5)PROFIT!
DISCLAIMER: THIS POSTER IS NOT A MEMBER OF STAFF AND HIS INFORMATION IS/MIGHT BE WRONG.
1)dump all your TDPs into charisma (this is in all likelihood going to come back to bite you in the ass due to the stated intent that the GS power formulas will be changing). Current GS power is charisma- + circle-based, and 30 charisma + 6th circle means your GS has effectively hard capped anything you might have a prayer of dancing with out the west gate of crossing.
2)EWH (1st), your choice (2nd), don't choose a spell (3rd), don't choose a spell (5th), SOP/INNOCENCE/GS (6th), whatever
3)don plate, shield, and weapon
4)go to ratha and hunt sand sprites (not only will you get rich, but you can dismiss the GS and let sprites beat on you in safety).
5)PROFIT!
DISCLAIMER: THIS POSTER IS NOT A MEMBER OF STAFF AND HIS INFORMATION IS/MIGHT BE WRONG.
6) Don't take advice from J'Lo.
Chosing stats solely to exploit a current system is, in general, a bad idea, especially since the current incarnation of Avengers was always supposed to be a temporary fix. Anyway, dumping all your TDP's into charisma will make you worthless toe-to-toe unless you never plan on hunting anything harder than sand sprites.
-- Player of Szrael --
\x'Empathic shock is a purely physical reaction with no moral or ethical component.\r
Chosing stats solely to exploit a current system is, in general, a bad idea, especially since the current incarnation of Avengers was always supposed to be a temporary fix. Anyway, dumping all your TDP's into charisma will make you worthless toe-to-toe unless you never plan on hunting anything harder than sand sprites.
-- Player of Szrael --
\x'Empathic shock is a purely physical reaction with no moral or ethical component.\r
As anyone who has hunted bristlebacks, black leucros, caracals, beisswurms or even armadillos can tell you, "hunting" is quite often more about gaining combat experience than it is about getting treasure. As it stands, a very combat-oriented Empath has no good way to kill the things they hunt (ie, use to train combats) to get treasure.
I think some confusion may arise from the word "hunt," which seems to imply killing things. I use it just because it is the catch-all phrase for engaging in combat with creatures in DragonRealms -- hunting, for Szrael, is tracking down a creature and letting it try to kill her until her combat skills are all locked. (More or less.)
Hunting, for Empaths, is still the best way to train many many skills at once, just as it is for every other guild.
Otherwise, I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you asking how a very combat oriented Empath kills things at level? Because the answer in Szrael's case at least is, "They don't." Szrael hunts caracals and has absolutely no way to kill a caracal, other than offering to pay someone else to kill it for her. She has the brawling skills to get the job done, but can't actually do it because of shock. (Obviously.)
If I misunderstood, and you're asking how an Empath goes about surviving in combat, then I apologize.
-- Player of Szrael --
\x'Empathic shock is a purely physical reaction with no moral or ethical component.\r
I think some confusion may arise from the word "hunt," which seems to imply killing things. I use it just because it is the catch-all phrase for engaging in combat with creatures in DragonRealms -- hunting, for Szrael, is tracking down a creature and letting it try to kill her until her combat skills are all locked. (More or less.)
Hunting, for Empaths, is still the best way to train many many skills at once, just as it is for every other guild.
Otherwise, I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you asking how a very combat oriented Empath kills things at level? Because the answer in Szrael's case at least is, "They don't." Szrael hunts caracals and has absolutely no way to kill a caracal, other than offering to pay someone else to kill it for her. She has the brawling skills to get the job done, but can't actually do it because of shock. (Obviously.)
If I misunderstood, and you're asking how an Empath goes about surviving in combat, then I apologize.
-- Player of Szrael --
\x'Empathic shock is a purely physical reaction with no moral or ethical component.\r
innocence is the spell you will use more than any other while training combats. it's all about crowd control and managing your experience gain. other than that it's a long boring process of bob, bob, bob and retr, eng, hide mixed with prep lethargy (horrible for any actual purpose but a great magic trainer), charge arm 11, focus arm, cast <critter>
don't expect to make much coin as a combat empath
~Arwinia
Thieves will continue to be dominated by the awesome power of the perceive health ability - that which causes rivers to dry up, babies to cry, and the earth to shake.
Stand back mortal, lest ye health be perceived.
-Ssra
don't expect to make much coin as a combat empath
~Arwinia
Thieves will continue to be dominated by the awesome power of the perceive health ability - that which causes rivers to dry up, babies to cry, and the earth to shake.
Stand back mortal, lest ye health be perceived.
-Ssra
>>don't expect to make much coin as a combat empath<<
Don't expect to make much coin as a non combat empath either until you've got some highly skilled and somewhat wealthy patrons.
Several months ago, I went on a rant about offering my healing services for free, and that tipping was optional on the part of the tipper. I now retract that statement.
Recently I've healed several deaders in crossing with completely destroyed heads, abdomens, chests or whatever and not only did not receive any tips at all, but didn't receive even a "thank you." These cases were NOT during an invasion. In an invasion, I just want to get people healed and up as soon as possible and move on to the next without exchanging any pleasantries. I'm fine with no tipping under triage situations.
But to answer a call to come to the cleric's guild to heal a deader, or the bin in Lang, or the Keep in Rossman's and not even receive a "thank you for your efforts" is really annoying.
I also healed during a tourney recently and was paid VERY well. Thank you to those participants. I had fun, and I hope you did also.
Ok, so that's my semi-annual rant regarding empaths and tipping. I should probably have moved it to the crappy payment blotter, but I don't feel like looking up the names of those non tippers right now.
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Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
- Albert Einstein
Don't expect to make much coin as a non combat empath either until you've got some highly skilled and somewhat wealthy patrons.
Several months ago, I went on a rant about offering my healing services for free, and that tipping was optional on the part of the tipper. I now retract that statement.
Recently I've healed several deaders in crossing with completely destroyed heads, abdomens, chests or whatever and not only did not receive any tips at all, but didn't receive even a "thank you." These cases were NOT during an invasion. In an invasion, I just want to get people healed and up as soon as possible and move on to the next without exchanging any pleasantries. I'm fine with no tipping under triage situations.
But to answer a call to come to the cleric's guild to heal a deader, or the bin in Lang, or the Keep in Rossman's and not even receive a "thank you for your efforts" is really annoying.
I also healed during a tourney recently and was paid VERY well. Thank you to those participants. I had fun, and I hope you did also.
Ok, so that's my semi-annual rant regarding empaths and tipping. I should probably have moved it to the crappy payment blotter, but I don't feel like looking up the names of those non tippers right now.
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Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
- Albert Einstein
Sete was more effective before the concentration changes because of the hit to Manipulation. You can use Lethargy to help your GS out but that only goes so far up the ladder. If you spend a lot of time in combat, as Lorz points out, you will outstrip your GS.
You can make money with a GS, but you do so by stepping down from where you would be learning for in-combat survival.
Asbhuan
You can make money with a GS, but you do so by stepping down from where you would be learning for in-combat survival.
Asbhuan
I never used manipulate to train either for 2 reasons
1. mobs with identical stats take a year to kill each other
2. tanking your concentration even partially becomes frightening in an emergency situation where you could easily save yourself with a >prep inn >cast
~Arwinia
Thieves will continue to be dominated by the awesome power of the perceive health ability - that which causes rivers to dry up, babies to cry, and the earth to shake.
Stand back mortal, lest ye health be perceived.
-Ssra
1. mobs with identical stats take a year to kill each other
2. tanking your concentration even partially becomes frightening in an emergency situation where you could easily save yourself with a >prep inn >cast
~Arwinia
Thieves will continue to be dominated by the awesome power of the perceive health ability - that which causes rivers to dry up, babies to cry, and the earth to shake.
Stand back mortal, lest ye health be perceived.
-Ssra
Before the changes to concentration, we were pretty effective alone with manipulate and grapple. Now however, manipulation is a one shot deal if you have a group. Otherwise it's too frustrating.
As far as I can tell hunting at level with an avenger it seems to be a little bit of pick and choose. I can kill the vicious war cats, orc scouts, small pecarry, small swamp troll, but the fendryads and bigger swamp trolls seem to be to skilled for the avenger to kill in a reasonable amount of time. It was missing far more than it was hitting.
~ Player of Lyathe
As far as I can tell hunting at level with an avenger it seems to be a little bit of pick and choose. I can kill the vicious war cats, orc scouts, small pecarry, small swamp troll, but the fendryads and bigger swamp trolls seem to be to skilled for the avenger to kill in a reasonable amount of time. It was missing far more than it was hitting.
~ Player of Lyathe
