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Hi, sorry to bother you, but I am curious as to why my tranference is going up slowly. I'm a 24th Circle empath, and transference is 111.43% . I have 20 in Int, wis, and Disc.
When I heal, I heal a body pretty fast and have a hard time getting my skill to lock. (*If that ever happens*). But when the skill Clicks, it only goes up .03% Max, if I'm lucky. Normally it goes up .02%
Since Transference is an Empaths Main skill, why can't I get this going up propperly. I'm mainly being Hindered on circleing cause of transference.
any info will be helpful, thanks.
Windolf
Um, because if we learned transferance at a faster rate, there'd be more high circle empaths than you can shake a stick at? Everything else is reasonably easy to learn.
Teaching from just sitting around healing, no risk, FA from worms or leeches, little risk, although there is some, but Trans is very, very risky and so if it were learnable at a rate commesurate with equally risky hunting practices, then Elanthia would be up to its ears in 90+ circle empaths in no time at all.
Its the brakes on the empaths, just like teaching on clerics, FA on pallies, TM on warmies, etc. Its the one skill we can't circle without, and that we have to risk everything to get. (clerics because of falling asleep and getting locked out, pallies because of how long they have to keep bleeders to learn anything and warmies because they have to hunt way over their armor, typically, to learn TM now.)
I've become pretty philosophical about it. If you really want to learn trans, go play with worms/leeches and ignore people. As a novice like myself, they teach way better at the really low circles, when trans just starts to be very difficult to learn. I'm lucky to get 7-10% from locked to clear in trans, but then my mentals are in the 19-20 range with 132 something in trans. A normal empath at my circle would probably be in the 40+ range on mentals, but I've been a slug and got other stats because I like being able to move with my fluff. <g>
Diomid Dubh-Vanyevich ~~ dumb but buff
Teaching from just sitting around healing, no risk, FA from worms or leeches, little risk, although there is some, but Trans is very, very risky and so if it were learnable at a rate commesurate with equally risky hunting practices, then Elanthia would be up to its ears in 90+ circle empaths in no time at all.
Its the brakes on the empaths, just like teaching on clerics, FA on pallies, TM on warmies, etc. Its the one skill we can't circle without, and that we have to risk everything to get. (clerics because of falling asleep and getting locked out, pallies because of how long they have to keep bleeders to learn anything and warmies because they have to hunt way over their armor, typically, to learn TM now.)
I've become pretty philosophical about it. If you really want to learn trans, go play with worms/leeches and ignore people. As a novice like myself, they teach way better at the really low circles, when trans just starts to be very difficult to learn. I'm lucky to get 7-10% from locked to clear in trans, but then my mentals are in the 19-20 range with 132 something in trans. A normal empath at my circle would probably be in the 40+ range on mentals, but I've been a slug and got other stats because I like being able to move with my fluff. <g>
Diomid Dubh-Vanyevich ~~ dumb but buff
-> but then my mentals are in the 19-20 range with 132 something in trans. A normal empath at my circle would probably be in the 40+ range on mentals,<-
Why would you think someone at your circle have higher Int, wis, and disc.??? Being 28th circle, you believe all Empaths would have 40+ in Mentals? Why? also I shoudl say How?
Yes I do admit spending some TDP's on Strenght (18), But I mostly spent my points on the Int, Wis, Disc, and Stamina. (*20, 20, 20, 22*). Being an Elf and all, Stamina seems very hard to get.
So, I'm curious as to why you would believe Having that high mentals is good.
Windolf
Why would you think someone at your circle have higher Int, wis, and disc.??? Being 28th circle, you believe all Empaths would have 40+ in Mentals? Why? also I shoudl say How?
Yes I do admit spending some TDP's on Strenght (18), But I mostly spent my points on the Int, Wis, Disc, and Stamina. (*20, 20, 20, 22*). Being an Elf and all, Stamina seems very hard to get.
So, I'm curious as to why you would believe Having that high mentals is good.
Windolf
>> So, I'm curious as to why you would believe Having that high mentals is good.
Because more mentals = faster learning.
I maintained the same mentals for about 8 circles...And as soon as I raised them I started getting 4% pulses in trans (holy moof!) and that was at 120+ ranks...
And another note...Your mentals shouldn't be equal. Your intelligence should be two below your wisdom, and your wisdom two-three below your discipline. I've found that this is the very best way to learn and get the most from being locked in a skill.
Stamina is definitely important but 20-23 stamina is pretty good until you're in your mid-thirties circle-wise. I've got around there and I can survive with a profuse/gushing bleeder for 5 or so minutes. Though, I suppose it depends on what your priority is...Quickly circling or surviving in the field or dancing with critters or whatever else.
- Miki
Because more mentals = faster learning.
I maintained the same mentals for about 8 circles...And as soon as I raised them I started getting 4% pulses in trans (holy moof!) and that was at 120+ ranks...
And another note...Your mentals shouldn't be equal. Your intelligence should be two below your wisdom, and your wisdom two-three below your discipline. I've found that this is the very best way to learn and get the most from being locked in a skill.
Stamina is definitely important but 20-23 stamina is pretty good until you're in your mid-thirties circle-wise. I've got around there and I can survive with a profuse/gushing bleeder for 5 or so minutes. Though, I suppose it depends on what your priority is...Quickly circling or surviving in the field or dancing with critters or whatever else.
- Miki
<<And another note...Your mentals shouldn't be equal. Your intelligence should be two below your wisdom, and your wisdom two-three below your discipline. I've found that this is the very best way to learn and get the most from being locked in a skill.>>
Possibly true for you, but this is very dependent on personal training style and/or race.
Myself, I hate losing any bits of experience for an action completed, and would rather never see mindlocked than constantly lose exp and muck my mind up (this is especially noticeable in magic... often my debate whether to cast or not isn't a health issue, it's a mindstate issue), so I tend to raise intelligence above the other mentals in order to maintain large pools and also keep wisdom nearby it to increase pulse sizes.
However, from what I've heard, increasing wisdom shows diminishing returns past 30 or so so I won't keep doing that forever.
In addition, I'm an Elf with a discipline penalty, so that kind of hurts to continue raising it above the other, cheaper mentals.
I find mentals arrangement to be a very personal thing. Although I was told that 2-2-2 rule as a young'un by my mentors, I quickly abandoned it once I understood the mental stats better.
~Laril
Possibly true for you, but this is very dependent on personal training style and/or race.
Myself, I hate losing any bits of experience for an action completed, and would rather never see mindlocked than constantly lose exp and muck my mind up (this is especially noticeable in magic... often my debate whether to cast or not isn't a health issue, it's a mindstate issue), so I tend to raise intelligence above the other mentals in order to maintain large pools and also keep wisdom nearby it to increase pulse sizes.
However, from what I've heard, increasing wisdom shows diminishing returns past 30 or so so I won't keep doing that forever.
In addition, I'm an Elf with a discipline penalty, so that kind of hurts to continue raising it above the other, cheaper mentals.
I find mentals arrangement to be a very personal thing. Although I was told that 2-2-2 rule as a young'un by my mentors, I quickly abandoned it once I understood the mental stats better.
~Laril
Well, I am an Elf myself, which is becomeing a rare race for an Empath. I'm seeing more other races then elf now since there seems to be better choices towards Stamina.
-->And another note...Your mentals shouldn't be equal. Your intelligence should be two below your wisdom, and your wisdom two-three below your discipline. I've found that this is the very best way to learn and get the most from being locked in a skill.<--
So your saying that Disc should be 2 Above Wis, Wis 2 above Int?? Wasn't this the Belief like over 5 years past? but Disc being equal to int? I do understand Discipline being up there, but didn't the web site somewhere say this was no long a good thing? Its so confusing ya know?
-->However, from what I've heard, increasing wisdom shows diminishing returns past 30 or so so I won't keep doing that forever.<--
I'm Curious on how increaseing Wisdom will mess with the return?
Yeah, I know, I'm just full of questionable Questions. hehe. Guess I'll have to increase one of my Stats. Being an Elf, 24th circle, and with 20 Int, Wis and Disc doesn't seem to be helping me.
thanks for any Extra info you can provide, (*or suggest*)
Windolf
-->And another note...Your mentals shouldn't be equal. Your intelligence should be two below your wisdom, and your wisdom two-three below your discipline. I've found that this is the very best way to learn and get the most from being locked in a skill.<--
So your saying that Disc should be 2 Above Wis, Wis 2 above Int?? Wasn't this the Belief like over 5 years past? but Disc being equal to int? I do understand Discipline being up there, but didn't the web site somewhere say this was no long a good thing? Its so confusing ya know?
-->However, from what I've heard, increasing wisdom shows diminishing returns past 30 or so so I won't keep doing that forever.<--
I'm Curious on how increaseing Wisdom will mess with the return?
Yeah, I know, I'm just full of questionable Questions. hehe. Guess I'll have to increase one of my Stats. Being an Elf, 24th circle, and with 20 Int, Wis and Disc doesn't seem to be helping me.
thanks for any Extra info you can provide, (*or suggest*)
Windolf
<<I'm Curious on how increaseing Wisdom will mess with the return?>>
By this, I merely meant that the results of increasing wisdom (i.e., larger pulse sizes) become less and less noticeable, so you're spending more and more TDPs for less and less of a pulse-size boost if you're raising wisdom far past 30.
This wasn't the case until recently, when they realized wisdom had become too much of an ubermental and characters were training wisdom absurdly out of proportion with other mentals, and they they changed it to bring it in line with other stats.
~Laril
By this, I merely meant that the results of increasing wisdom (i.e., larger pulse sizes) become less and less noticeable, so you're spending more and more TDPs for less and less of a pulse-size boost if you're raising wisdom far past 30.
This wasn't the case until recently, when they realized wisdom had become too much of an ubermental and characters were training wisdom absurdly out of proportion with other mentals, and they they changed it to bring it in line with other stats.
~Laril
> Why would you think someone at your circle have higher Int, wis, and disc.??? Being 28th circle, you believe all Empaths would have 40+ in Mentals? Why? also I shoudl say How?
Because that's what people like Krin and so on say I should have, just like 20 circles in a couple of weeks. Took me months, years in realms, but hey, I'm just slow, even if I don't RP right. <g>
What I'm hearing is that most peole have 30's in across the board by about 25th circle, and way higher by the time they get out of novice ranks, 30+. I have no clue how! If I knew, I'd be up there with the averages, as it is, I just futz around and have fun.
And I'm at 20, 20, 19 and 28 disc, int, wis and stam, with a 21 in str. Way low by what most people say, but I've just started to really get TDP's from ranks rather than circles. <g> (Lets hear it for magic ranks, my highest skills, far and away over trans or any other lore. Ok, magic and survival skills. Those are really secondary skills, huh?)
And having high mentals means keeping up with the standards of the gods. When the average circle is 50-60 and the mentals almost as high, then any ability to advance is set on those standards. No one, anymore, is under 30th or has any stats under 30, at least from the attitudes I've seen from 'Great Mages' and the boards.
Basically, if you aren't outside of novice, you're anyone's meat and open for a trip to the inn or worse. (I don't want to loose my husband, my home, my family because I get sent away.) And novice is now 30th or more and rising. I can see where anyone under 50th will be dogmeat and available for TF style treatement in a year or two or being sent to the inn at whim, when everyone is at that circle or higher. Sometimes I wonder why I fight, but then I like the people, even if I'm a 'bad' empath. (With a seriously OOC name, so sue me.)
Diomid Dubh-Vanyevich
Because that's what people like Krin and so on say I should have, just like 20 circles in a couple of weeks. Took me months, years in realms, but hey, I'm just slow, even if I don't RP right. <g>
What I'm hearing is that most peole have 30's in across the board by about 25th circle, and way higher by the time they get out of novice ranks, 30+. I have no clue how! If I knew, I'd be up there with the averages, as it is, I just futz around and have fun.
And I'm at 20, 20, 19 and 28 disc, int, wis and stam, with a 21 in str. Way low by what most people say, but I've just started to really get TDP's from ranks rather than circles. <g> (Lets hear it for magic ranks, my highest skills, far and away over trans or any other lore. Ok, magic and survival skills. Those are really secondary skills, huh?)
And having high mentals means keeping up with the standards of the gods. When the average circle is 50-60 and the mentals almost as high, then any ability to advance is set on those standards. No one, anymore, is under 30th or has any stats under 30, at least from the attitudes I've seen from 'Great Mages' and the boards.
Basically, if you aren't outside of novice, you're anyone's meat and open for a trip to the inn or worse. (I don't want to loose my husband, my home, my family because I get sent away.) And novice is now 30th or more and rising. I can see where anyone under 50th will be dogmeat and available for TF style treatement in a year or two or being sent to the inn at whim, when everyone is at that circle or higher. Sometimes I wonder why I fight, but then I like the people, even if I'm a 'bad' empath. (With a seriously OOC name, so sue me.)
Diomid Dubh-Vanyevich
>What the heck are you talking about?
Exactly what I said. The standards the GM's use for learning skills. If you have stats considerably below the average, then you don't learn much at all, no matter how hard you work. I get maybe 7% from ML to clear in trans, maybe, and that's because my mentals are so poor compared to everyone else's in the realms for my circle. At least from what I've been told.
If the average mentals are in the 40-50 range, then the world is going to be set to that level. This is what people tell me is the average. <shrug> I'm dumb as a stump. Ok. This means I'm not gonna get anywhere, and even more importainly, I'm not going to waste my time trying to really circle. By the time I get any exp, its going to be wasted because the average will have climbed out of my reach, so why bother.
I am here for my friends and family, not circles or trans. With the inflation on ranks and stats, there's no way I can keep up, so all I do is try to avoid the crush and keep away from 'Great Mages' who can pull me away from the importaint things by sending me to the inn or the lockout room.
Dio
Exactly what I said. The standards the GM's use for learning skills. If you have stats considerably below the average, then you don't learn much at all, no matter how hard you work. I get maybe 7% from ML to clear in trans, maybe, and that's because my mentals are so poor compared to everyone else's in the realms for my circle. At least from what I've been told.
If the average mentals are in the 40-50 range, then the world is going to be set to that level. This is what people tell me is the average. <shrug> I'm dumb as a stump. Ok. This means I'm not gonna get anywhere, and even more importainly, I'm not going to waste my time trying to really circle. By the time I get any exp, its going to be wasted because the average will have climbed out of my reach, so why bother.
I am here for my friends and family, not circles or trans. With the inflation on ranks and stats, there's no way I can keep up, so all I do is try to avoid the crush and keep away from 'Great Mages' who can pull me away from the importaint things by sending me to the inn or the lockout room.
Dio
<<This means I'm not gonna get anywhere, and even more importainly, I'm not going to waste my time trying to really circle. By the time I get any exp, its going to be wasted because the average will have climbed out of my reach, so why bother>>
I don't think I've ever encountered quite so much effort and paranoia invested in justifying sitting around having fun instead of training skills. Relax, it's a game! You don't have to keep up with anyone, goofing off is a perfectly acceptable way to spend your time. No need to break out the persecution complex, just hang out and enjoy things.
Passionata
I don't think I've ever encountered quite so much effort and paranoia invested in justifying sitting around having fun instead of training skills. Relax, it's a game! You don't have to keep up with anyone, goofing off is a perfectly acceptable way to spend your time. No need to break out the persecution complex, just hang out and enjoy things.
Passionata
The part that puzzles me is "everyone" has stats between 40 -50 by 30th circle? I have 4 30-plus characters and they all have low to mid twenties in stats (I like to keep my stats balanced). Who is this "everyone"?
Diomid, I know I've talked to you about my empath magic skills and shocked you with how low they are. Many people don't do more than they need to to circle, just because some folks work much harder doesn't mean "everyone" does. In order to have those high stats, a person would have to work many skills very hard to gain TDPs to invest in those stats. More power to them!
Why do you care whether you are meeting some average (amongst other players) or not? We have no 'winning score' to meet. As long as your character is able to do the things you want your character to do, and as long as you enjoy the things you can do, then isn't that good enough? Speaking only for myself, I set personal goals (for example 30th circle for my empath, or 30 charisma for my trader - not there yet - such things as that) and then work toward them as I feel inclined to. If I don't feel like working that hard and don't circle anyone for six months, no one knows but me.
Me, I like socializing and working skills just enough to circle, if that. It took me a few years to work my few people up to this level.
And if you feel that the GMs are gearing things more toward higher circle folk and ignoring the lower circles, I have to respectfully disagree. Many of the changes have been very beneficial to my less-than-tenth group of characters.
Player of Veritey
and MANY others
Diomid, I know I've talked to you about my empath magic skills and shocked you with how low they are. Many people don't do more than they need to to circle, just because some folks work much harder doesn't mean "everyone" does. In order to have those high stats, a person would have to work many skills very hard to gain TDPs to invest in those stats. More power to them!
Why do you care whether you are meeting some average (amongst other players) or not? We have no 'winning score' to meet. As long as your character is able to do the things you want your character to do, and as long as you enjoy the things you can do, then isn't that good enough? Speaking only for myself, I set personal goals (for example 30th circle for my empath, or 30 charisma for my trader - not there yet - such things as that) and then work toward them as I feel inclined to. If I don't feel like working that hard and don't circle anyone for six months, no one knows but me.
Me, I like socializing and working skills just enough to circle, if that. It took me a few years to work my few people up to this level.
And if you feel that the GMs are gearing things more toward higher circle folk and ignoring the lower circles, I have to respectfully disagree. Many of the changes have been very beneficial to my less-than-tenth group of characters.
Player of Veritey
and MANY others
>> What I'm hearing is that most peole have 30's in across the board by about 25th circle, and way higher by the time they get out of novice ranks, 30+. I have no clue how! If I knew, I'd be up there with the averages, as it is, I just futz around and have fun.
No way, either you misunderstood or someone is pulling your leg or they don't know what they are talking about.
>> And having high mentals means keeping up with the standards of the gods. When the average circle is 50-60 and the mentals almost as high, then any ability to advance is set on those standards. No one, anymore, is under 30th or has any stats under 30, at least from the attitudes I've seen from 'Great Mages' and the boards.
I really don't know what you are talking about there. The average circle is more like 30th. There are new customers all the time and the game is geared towards supporting new gamers starting at any time. There is no race and no winner unless you choose to set one up. I suspect you are hitting something we all hit no matter what we do with our mentals. That is, learning perpetually slows down. Improving mentals helps but it never negates this slowdown in learning. At first we often search for an answer in our mentals thinking if only we get enough we will learn better. Adjusting your mentals does alter your learning, but not nearly as much as we would like them to.
These are my stats at 64th circle...
Strength : 20 Reflex : 20
Agility : 20 Charisma : 30
Discipline : 40 Wisdom : 36
Intelligence : 40 Stamina : 40
I have about 250 tdps to spend.
So, I have 246, divided by 8, gives an average of 30 per stat, at 64th circle. If most people have that by 25th circle I am in big trouble.
The boards do not represent the average player. They represent the players who are most involved in the game. The GMs have often stated that decisions are not based on popularity and that they are privy to information we are not privy to. They absolutely do not tilt the game in favor of long-term players. In fact many ranks I have sweated over have been handed over to newer players practically on a silver platter. It is true that in some cases skills which were easy to learn were made more difficult, but over all the game is easier for newcomers now than in the past.
Dellica
No way, either you misunderstood or someone is pulling your leg or they don't know what they are talking about.
>> And having high mentals means keeping up with the standards of the gods. When the average circle is 50-60 and the mentals almost as high, then any ability to advance is set on those standards. No one, anymore, is under 30th or has any stats under 30, at least from the attitudes I've seen from 'Great Mages' and the boards.
I really don't know what you are talking about there. The average circle is more like 30th. There are new customers all the time and the game is geared towards supporting new gamers starting at any time. There is no race and no winner unless you choose to set one up. I suspect you are hitting something we all hit no matter what we do with our mentals. That is, learning perpetually slows down. Improving mentals helps but it never negates this slowdown in learning. At first we often search for an answer in our mentals thinking if only we get enough we will learn better. Adjusting your mentals does alter your learning, but not nearly as much as we would like them to.
These are my stats at 64th circle...
Strength : 20 Reflex : 20
Agility : 20 Charisma : 30
Discipline : 40 Wisdom : 36
Intelligence : 40 Stamina : 40
I have about 250 tdps to spend.
So, I have 246, divided by 8, gives an average of 30 per stat, at 64th circle. If most people have that by 25th circle I am in big trouble.
The boards do not represent the average player. They represent the players who are most involved in the game. The GMs have often stated that decisions are not based on popularity and that they are privy to information we are not privy to. They absolutely do not tilt the game in favor of long-term players. In fact many ranks I have sweated over have been handed over to newer players practically on a silver platter. It is true that in some cases skills which were easy to learn were made more difficult, but over all the game is easier for newcomers now than in the past.
Dellica
>The part that puzzles me is "everyone" has stats between 40 -50 by 30th circle
I'll stand over by you and be puzzled with you...tee hee
I am working my way to 50th here (46th), and true, I am all about balancing my stats, but I don't have one stat over 29. All of my stats range from 23 (agility) to 29 (strength). In hindsight, I could have gotten a handful over 30 if I had neglected others, or I could have ~a~ stat "between 40-50" if I neglected all the rest. At 46th.
And, it should be noted that I have a ton, I mean a ~ton~ of earned TDP's. Yey for skills that don't have a thing to do with guild progression!
:P
Kythryn, the balanced
I'll stand over by you and be puzzled with you...tee hee
I am working my way to 50th here (46th), and true, I am all about balancing my stats, but I don't have one stat over 29. All of my stats range from 23 (agility) to 29 (strength). In hindsight, I could have gotten a handful over 30 if I had neglected others, or I could have ~a~ stat "between 40-50" if I neglected all the rest. At 46th.
And, it should be noted that I have a ton, I mean a ~ton~ of earned TDP's. Yey for skills that don't have a thing to do with guild progression!
:P
Kythryn, the balanced
As far as I've noticed and been told id stop wisdom at 30 , maybe tiny bit more, raise int and disc keep them pretty even now with new magic 2.1.
My mage has 44 disc 40 int and 30 wisdom, learns GREAT.
I know hes not an empath but still just an example hehe.
Learns several % a pulse still in the 400s sometimes
My mage has 44 disc 40 int and 30 wisdom, learns GREAT.
I know hes not an empath but still just an example hehe.
Learns several % a pulse still in the 400s sometimes
