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2 things here.
First, I am bothered by the fact that I can heal disease but cannot take it. This is dumb. I want to help people. It is why I got the cure disease spell. I can't use it to heal people?! Ugh! I know that I am going to be able to eventually, but that doesn't help any of the people standing around now who aren't getting healing because the only empaths in the guild are me and a circle 2.
Second, the bit about being able to take empathic shock. Why can't I learn a spell at circle 10 instead? Why would I even want to heal someone elses' empathic shosk? It never goes away, even if I take some. And I wasn't the one who hurt anything.
Greets,
I don't mean this to sound rude or anything, but if you can't transfer disease yet... don't choose the spell. Period. Keep in mind that transferring disease is very difficult to do. You will not be able to do this effectively at 10th circle. I have a hard time with certain diseases and I am over 30th.
As for taking Shock, it has a circle limitation on it so that JoeMule doesn't wander in and take EmpathBob's shock, reroll, and repeat the process. We get spells at designated circles. The fact that we get a 'skill' at 10th has -nothing- to do with the fact that we DON'T get a spell. After 9th circle you will receive a spell slot every three circles; so you'll get one at 12th, 15th, 18th, and so on. This is the same for ALL magic primary and secondary guilds.
The 'shock' does not stay forever. The SCARS stay forever, and at the moment, cause no harm at all. IF they ever do, then there will undoubtedly be a way to have the scar lifted, or canceled out. At least... I hope so.
Hope that helped a little.
P.O. Xailan
I don't mean this to sound rude or anything, but if you can't transfer disease yet... don't choose the spell. Period. Keep in mind that transferring disease is very difficult to do. You will not be able to do this effectively at 10th circle. I have a hard time with certain diseases and I am over 30th.
As for taking Shock, it has a circle limitation on it so that JoeMule doesn't wander in and take EmpathBob's shock, reroll, and repeat the process. We get spells at designated circles. The fact that we get a 'skill' at 10th has -nothing- to do with the fact that we DON'T get a spell. After 9th circle you will receive a spell slot every three circles; so you'll get one at 12th, 15th, 18th, and so on. This is the same for ALL magic primary and secondary guilds.
The 'shock' does not stay forever. The SCARS stay forever, and at the moment, cause no harm at all. IF they ever do, then there will undoubtedly be a way to have the scar lifted, or canceled out. At least... I hope so.
Hope that helped a little.
P.O. Xailan
Just because you are unable to heal disease does not mean that the Cure Disease spell is useless to you. Keeping bleeders to learn First Aid will end up with you infected sooner or later. There are also other instances in which you may contract disease where CD will not only be helpful, but also keep you from being a burden on other Empaths.
As for the shock... I tend to like it for the singular reason that it is part of a line of skills that we can get aside from our spells (which there need to be MANY more of *crosses fingers*--spells that is, but that's another post).
Being useful. I understand that many Empaths want to heal everything right away. But, even at 21st, you're probably going to be ineffective taking the stuff. The best you would probably be able to do is slow it a little. In addition, I expect more and more of our healing ability to be spread out over skill levels as Towint and the Empath Team redo the healing system. As it is, it is far too easy to heal everything, not the other way around.
Former Empath Shaunn
As for the shock... I tend to like it for the singular reason that it is part of a line of skills that we can get aside from our spells (which there need to be MANY more of *crosses fingers*--spells that is, but that's another post).
Being useful. I understand that many Empaths want to heal everything right away. But, even at 21st, you're probably going to be ineffective taking the stuff. The best you would probably be able to do is slow it a little. In addition, I expect more and more of our healing ability to be spread out over skill levels as Towint and the Empath Team redo the healing system. As it is, it is far too easy to heal everything, not the other way around.
Former Empath Shaunn
First off, if your a circle 10, you shouldn't be even THINKING about taking disease yet. You should be focused on the fact that at circle 10 you get to take poisons. Taking Disease doesn't happen till the late Teen circles, I was able to take it with 80 lessons in Empathy, depends on the person. And even if you don't get it then, you automatically get it at circle 21, and Annael has a wonderful way of showing you how. And just because you have the spell, doesn't mean you should be able to take it earlier then anyone else in the guild. If there is just you and a circle 2 Empath in the room, then thats it, the person needs to go find a higher Empath around, and I know there are always a few around the Crossing, including myself, who usually stick around for disease. And even at my circle just like Xailan said, I still have trouble with it and have to cast GOL to help.
As for shock, I think Xailan pretty much summed it all up, with the acception that taking shock and your own beliefs. I personally, do not take shock unless the Empath is young and made a mistake, or something of that nature. Taking shock from another Empath renders me unable to heal for a while, so I choose carefully who I help and who I don't. If its some 15th level Empath who decided to go kill a few boars, She's on her own, because I believe she should be able to deal with her own shock punishment, and I shouldn't have to deal with any of her problems. But to teach their own on that.
~Villya
Revelations of a Snert:
Snerty McSnertSnert whispers, ""HE is the one that ties her up there..or takes her to orges i think and gets her killed. Maybe its a adrenline rush thing"
As for shock, I think Xailan pretty much summed it all up, with the acception that taking shock and your own beliefs. I personally, do not take shock unless the Empath is young and made a mistake, or something of that nature. Taking shock from another Empath renders me unable to heal for a while, so I choose carefully who I help and who I don't. If its some 15th level Empath who decided to go kill a few boars, She's on her own, because I believe she should be able to deal with her own shock punishment, and I shouldn't have to deal with any of her problems. But to teach their own on that.
~Villya
Revelations of a Snert:
Snerty McSnertSnert whispers, ""HE is the one that ties her up there..or takes her to orges i think and gets her killed. Maybe its a adrenline rush thing"
Cure Disease is very useful in the event one of your pets gets infected or there is something contageous going around. Seeing as the latter seems to be happening more and more often lately, it's a good thing to have. The spell is far from useless even if you can't take disease yet.
Though on another note, I suggest getting Heart Link at some point when you can if you're keen on helping diseased people. Even if you can't take it, Heart Link will do a good job of keeping it from eating them alive.
>> Why would I even want to heal someone elses' empathic shosk? It never goes away, even if I take some. And I wasn't the one who hurt anything.
1. Perhaps you want to help them out. Or perhaps they are paying you (I have paid empaths upwards of 10 plat to take bits of my shock in the past) or perhaps they are young and ignorant.
2. It does go away, even if you kill something. The scar doesn't, but that doesn't do anything away.
3. What if they didn't mean it? What if they had no idea that, for example, fishing caused shock? What if they haven't played for awhile and didn't know that a particular spell (arc light being a good example) was changed so it causes damage? What if they were brawling at melee with something and accidentally typed 'k' instead of 'l' to look? (heh, I've come close to doing this)
It's your personal choice as to whether or not you take someone's shock, of course. But keep in mind there are special circumstances.
- Miki (player of)
Terlockin taps a stone grey hide telescope case trimmed in pure white fur labeled "Moonarian" that he is wearing.
You hear Kssarh's voice from above saying, "It's spelled M-O-R-O-N."
Though on another note, I suggest getting Heart Link at some point when you can if you're keen on helping diseased people. Even if you can't take it, Heart Link will do a good job of keeping it from eating them alive.
>> Why would I even want to heal someone elses' empathic shosk? It never goes away, even if I take some. And I wasn't the one who hurt anything.
1. Perhaps you want to help them out. Or perhaps they are paying you (I have paid empaths upwards of 10 plat to take bits of my shock in the past) or perhaps they are young and ignorant.
2. It does go away, even if you kill something. The scar doesn't, but that doesn't do anything away.
3. What if they didn't mean it? What if they had no idea that, for example, fishing caused shock? What if they haven't played for awhile and didn't know that a particular spell (arc light being a good example) was changed so it causes damage? What if they were brawling at melee with something and accidentally typed 'k' instead of 'l' to look? (heh, I've come close to doing this)
It's your personal choice as to whether or not you take someone's shock, of course. But keep in mind there are special circumstances.
- Miki (player of)
Terlockin taps a stone grey hide telescope case trimmed in pure white fur labeled "Moonarian" that he is wearing.
You hear Kssarh's voice from above saying, "It's spelled M-O-R-O-N."
>2. It does go away, even if you kill something. The scar doesn't, but that doesn't do anything away.
Since no one else is saying it: sharing shock doesn't give you a shock scar.
~Y
Ever wonder about those Elotheans? Check out the library at:
http://www.bakshiloa.com
Since no one else is saying it: sharing shock doesn't give you a shock scar.
~Y
Ever wonder about those Elotheans? Check out the library at:
http://www.bakshiloa.com
Ok, so I should have been told when I went to learn the cure disease spell that I could use it but could no transfer disease. The fact is, it is frustrating to have to learn by trial and error. If all the bigger empaths are soooo helpful to the younger ones, then why did none of them bother to tell me that having the spell did not enable transfer? I had been talking with many empaths about wanting to get the spell so that I could TAKE disease. Why did nobody bother to enlighten me? You are all so helpful after the fact, but when I ask before I do something, you are silent...
Not all empaths are nice caring funloving people who help novices out. I'm certainly not. :)
Honestly I can understand your anger but it's not like the spell is useless. And it helps if you ASK Annael ABOUT <spell> SPELL before getting it if you have anything you're questionable about.
- Miki
My hero!
Kssarh says, "What a waste of time. Healing morons like you so they can go out and get themselves hurt again. Foolishness. If you want to bleed to death, I'm not going to stop you, as long you're not messing up my floor."
Honestly I can understand your anger but it's not like the spell is useless. And it helps if you ASK Annael ABOUT <spell> SPELL before getting it if you have anything you're questionable about.
- Miki
My hero!
Kssarh says, "What a waste of time. Healing morons like you so they can go out and get themselves hurt again. Foolishness. If you want to bleed to death, I'm not going to stop you, as long you're not messing up my floor."
>>The fact is, it is frustrating to have to learn by trial and error.<<
No, its a way of life to learn by trial and error. Thats how I learned to do stuff as a young Empath, like the preps for spells and stuff and even when I could take disease. It is from your mistakes you learn the most. So stop being whiney, just because you have to do like everyone else does and learn from your mistakes. Oooo I know it hurts, but its life, get over it.
>>If all the bigger empaths are soooo helpful to the younger ones, then why did none of them bother to tell me that having the spell did not enable transfer?<<
Because they are idiots? I don't know why, but it depends on the Empath. Like Mikiri said, some Empaths are very nice and will help out a younger Empath in need, and others will just give you a wise arse answer. Depends on how they are RPing their player. Either way, on the Empath's behalf, maybe they thought you already knew that and didn't think they had to tell you?
>>I had been talking with many empaths about wanting to get the spell so that I could TAKE disease.<<
EVENTUALLY is the key word that they probably forgot to say. Evenetually, you will need to learn to take disease, at circle 10 however, you go a few more circles to go. Maybe they were just looking out for your welfare, since they know that sometimes bleeding when healing can lead to infection.
>>Why did nobody bother to enlighten me? You are all so helpful after the fact, but when I ask before I do something, you are silent...<<
See, thats your problem, you should have posted on the boards. Everyone who posts here are far from silent people, and in fact some of us have very strong opinions. Your post wouldn't have been missed by us, and you would have gotten a mess of answers to your question.
~Villya
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never tried before.
No, its a way of life to learn by trial and error. Thats how I learned to do stuff as a young Empath, like the preps for spells and stuff and even when I could take disease. It is from your mistakes you learn the most. So stop being whiney, just because you have to do like everyone else does and learn from your mistakes. Oooo I know it hurts, but its life, get over it.
>>If all the bigger empaths are soooo helpful to the younger ones, then why did none of them bother to tell me that having the spell did not enable transfer?<<
Because they are idiots? I don't know why, but it depends on the Empath. Like Mikiri said, some Empaths are very nice and will help out a younger Empath in need, and others will just give you a wise arse answer. Depends on how they are RPing their player. Either way, on the Empath's behalf, maybe they thought you already knew that and didn't think they had to tell you?
>>I had been talking with many empaths about wanting to get the spell so that I could TAKE disease.<<
EVENTUALLY is the key word that they probably forgot to say. Evenetually, you will need to learn to take disease, at circle 10 however, you go a few more circles to go. Maybe they were just looking out for your welfare, since they know that sometimes bleeding when healing can lead to infection.
>>Why did nobody bother to enlighten me? You are all so helpful after the fact, but when I ask before I do something, you are silent...<<
See, thats your problem, you should have posted on the boards. Everyone who posts here are far from silent people, and in fact some of us have very strong opinions. Your post wouldn't have been missed by us, and you would have gotten a mess of answers to your question.
~Villya
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never tried before.
>>So stop being whiney, just because you have to do like everyone else does and learn from your mistakes. Oooo I know it hurts, but its life, get over it.
Frustration with a mistake is something that someone should feel free to express. We've all made them, so let's try some sympathy to an obviously new member of the guild (and possibly game) instead of being mean.
>>If all the bigger empaths are soooo helpful to the younger ones, then why did none of them bother to tell me that having the spell did not enable transfer?
Many of the 'bigger empaths' as you call them, see this sort of knowledge as second nature. Not saying that you shouldn't be frustrated, but its not the fault of the elder at all. If someone has questions, its probably best to be as specific as possible when asking, because not all of us are going to be thinking in fundamental terms when explaining. If you were to ask me, for instance, I'd tell you that Annael teaches you to take disease at 21st circle, but you can learn the spell whenever you like. Others may give you other answers. I doubt anyone was trying to deceive you. Then there's the aspect of people not really wanting to take the time to teach younger Empaths. That's fine too; it's their choice.
>> Everyone who posts here are far from silent people, and in fact some of us have very strong opinions.
This is probably true. The boards are probably your best resource for in game questions, especially those about mechanics. In game is a bit sketchy, because people are generally trying to play, not answer questions (thought many will). The infirmary is an especially hard place for this.
You could also approach the Mentor Society about these kinds of questions as well. There is a very capable group of Empath Mentors (and other Guilds who know the answers or can get them easily) who can help you out with these kinds of questions if you prefer a more private means and aren't getting it with players you just happen to run into.
Cheers,
Former Empath Shaunn
Frustration with a mistake is something that someone should feel free to express. We've all made them, so let's try some sympathy to an obviously new member of the guild (and possibly game) instead of being mean.
>>If all the bigger empaths are soooo helpful to the younger ones, then why did none of them bother to tell me that having the spell did not enable transfer?
Many of the 'bigger empaths' as you call them, see this sort of knowledge as second nature. Not saying that you shouldn't be frustrated, but its not the fault of the elder at all. If someone has questions, its probably best to be as specific as possible when asking, because not all of us are going to be thinking in fundamental terms when explaining. If you were to ask me, for instance, I'd tell you that Annael teaches you to take disease at 21st circle, but you can learn the spell whenever you like. Others may give you other answers. I doubt anyone was trying to deceive you. Then there's the aspect of people not really wanting to take the time to teach younger Empaths. That's fine too; it's their choice.
>> Everyone who posts here are far from silent people, and in fact some of us have very strong opinions.
This is probably true. The boards are probably your best resource for in game questions, especially those about mechanics. In game is a bit sketchy, because people are generally trying to play, not answer questions (thought many will). The infirmary is an especially hard place for this.
You could also approach the Mentor Society about these kinds of questions as well. There is a very capable group of Empath Mentors (and other Guilds who know the answers or can get them easily) who can help you out with these kinds of questions if you prefer a more private means and aren't getting it with players you just happen to run into.
Cheers,
Former Empath Shaunn
>>Frustration with a mistake is something that someone should feel free to express. We've all made them, so let's try some sympathy to an obviously new member of the guild (and possibly game) instead of being mean<<
Oh...Shaunn, thats far from being mean for me. If it came off mean well, I didn't mean it that way, but ok they did sound a bit whiney I'm sorry.
And I still have to say, for an Empath NOT to help you is pretty weird. With our guild brothers and sisters, we're usually very nice but hey, again, not everyone is going to help you out IG. Some of us are smartarses like myself <cackles>
~Villya
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never tried before.
Oh...Shaunn, thats far from being mean for me. If it came off mean well, I didn't mean it that way, but ok they did sound a bit whiney I'm sorry.
And I still have to say, for an Empath NOT to help you is pretty weird. With our guild brothers and sisters, we're usually very nice but hey, again, not everyone is going to help you out IG. Some of us are smartarses like myself <cackles>
~Villya
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never tried before.
Quite honestly, I might not have thought to mention it just because I might have thought it was fairly obvious that there are two parts to healing, the Transference/Empathy part, and the magical part.
Anything that involves taking something from a patient involves your Empathy.
All a spell does is tell you how to get rid of it on yourself, not how to seek out tiny, tiny bacteria and viruses in another person's body.
This is true throughout everything you do in the Guild. Empathy for the patient, Spells for ourselves. Just because you get a spell doesn't change how much knowledge in Empathy you have.
I might not have mentioned it to you, myself, only because in my mind, I would have thought that by 10th you would have figured it out. I'm not trying to be mean when I say this, but maybe I'm just overestimating the younger generation of the Empath Guild.
~player of Syrath
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Nin showrskilik dabru dangig kvatha, "Derg gorva ewn tharfe mate nin verdh suun nin kwin bowr, nin kwin bowr va nin verdh."
<<Since no one else is saying it: sharing shock doesn't give you a shock scar.>>
If you heal another empath's shock, you don't get a scar or any indication of having it at all? I've always heard otherwise. I wish there was confirmation on this.
Amo
_____________________________________________ "Can you even dye my eyes to match my gown?" ~Dorothy
For more information on empaths who shift, go to:
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If you heal another empath's shock, you don't get a scar or any indication of having it at all? I've always heard otherwise. I wish there was confirmation on this.
Amo
_____________________________________________ "Can you even dye my eyes to match my gown?" ~Dorothy
For more information on empaths who shift, go to:
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Healing Shock does not give a scar... that's from experience.
So the reason why you'd take some shock is to help the poor empath that got it to lessen the penalty time.
If you can get a bunch of empaths together they can radically reduce the shock time by taking it down the line
"I used to be Snow White...... but I drifted." - Mae West
So the reason why you'd take some shock is to help the poor empath that got it to lessen the penalty time.
If you can get a bunch of empaths together they can radically reduce the shock time by taking it down the line
"I used to be Snow White...... but I drifted." - Mae West
>>If you heal another empath's shock, you don't get a scar or any indication of having it at all? I've always heard otherwise. I wish there was confirmation on this.
You can detect disgusting traces of empathic shock in those who have taken it from others. The traces fade away after awhile though, I believe.
-Kenchak
You can detect disgusting traces of empathic shock in those who have taken it from others. The traces fade away after awhile though, I believe.
-Kenchak
> You can detect disgusting traces of empathic shock in those who have taken it from others. The traces fade away after awhile though, I believe.
No, you'll detect shock, which gives a similar message, while they still have it. After it is gone there is nothing.
~Y
Ever wonder about those Elotheans? Check out the library at:
http://www.bakshiloa.com
No, you'll detect shock, which gives a similar message, while they still have it. After it is gone there is nothing.
~Y
Ever wonder about those Elotheans? Check out the library at:
http://www.bakshiloa.com
>What Ythik has done for us here is rephrase what I said in the previous message. Thanks Ythik!
Actually, once again, if you actually read what was said you would notice that they were not the same thing.
You said sharing shock gave a scar for a short amount of time which then faded. I said otherwise.
~Y
Ever wonder about those Elotheans? Check out the library at:
http://www.bakshiloa.com
Actually, once again, if you actually read what was said you would notice that they were not the same thing.
You said sharing shock gave a scar for a short amount of time which then faded. I said otherwise.
~Y
Ever wonder about those Elotheans? Check out the library at:
http://www.bakshiloa.com
<<If you can get a bunch of empaths together they can radically reduce the shock time by taking it down the line>>
OKay, its been a while, and a few characters since then...but didnt this happen with a large amount of empaths a while back? Wasnt there an empath who killed someone, with good reason, and everyone helped out? I believe it was Yazegi, maybe...like I said, its been a while. But I remember being very mad that I was too young to help out.
-Etrina
OKay, its been a while, and a few characters since then...but didnt this happen with a large amount of empaths a while back? Wasnt there an empath who killed someone, with good reason, and everyone helped out? I believe it was Yazegi, maybe...like I said, its been a while. But I remember being very mad that I was too young to help out.
-Etrina
>>What Ythik has done for us here is rephrase what I said in the previous message. Thanks Ythik!<<
Nah, you can't be mad at Ythik, what he actually does it takes your messed up version, cleans it up, and makes it comprehendable for everyone. He's done this to me a few times, and you can't get mad at someone for making it easier for the masses to understand.
>>OKay, its been a while, and a few characters since then...but didnt this happen with a large amount of empaths a while back? Wasnt there an empath who killed someone, with good reason, and everyone helped out? I believe it was Yazegi, maybe...like I said, its been a while. But I remember being very mad that I was too young to help out.<<
And you call me an old fart? :P
~Villya
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never tried before.
Nah, you can't be mad at Ythik, what he actually does it takes your messed up version, cleans it up, and makes it comprehendable for everyone. He's done this to me a few times, and you can't get mad at someone for making it easier for the masses to understand.
>>OKay, its been a while, and a few characters since then...but didnt this happen with a large amount of empaths a while back? Wasnt there an empath who killed someone, with good reason, and everyone helped out? I believe it was Yazegi, maybe...like I said, its been a while. But I remember being very mad that I was too young to help out.<<
And you call me an old fart? :P
~Villya
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never tried before.
>><gasp> Me? Calling you an old fart?? Never! Besides, whats you being an old fart got to do with me being around the realms longer? <tickle><<
Phhh...ok Villya has been around for about 5 years IG, just under a different guild. I was a lovely Cleric before and now I'm an Empath, but I dunno what that had to do with anything..I just felt like saying old fart :P.
~Villya
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never tried before.
Phhh...ok Villya has been around for about 5 years IG, just under a different guild. I was a lovely Cleric before and now I'm an Empath, but I dunno what that had to do with anything..I just felt like saying old fart :P.
~Villya
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never tried before.
