Possible bug with thanatology/skinning on 06/18/2015 02:50 PM CDT
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So, we can't train skinning by doing arise on a corpse because it's "already skinned", but i just discovered we CAN train skinning by doing preserve, arranging 5 times, and then doing arise. is this intended?

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Re: Possible bug with thanatology/skinning on 06/18/2015 02:54 PM CDT
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I swear Lazzo I will FIND YOU :(



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Re: Possible bug with thanatology/skinning on 06/18/2015 02:58 PM CDT
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Because i'm honest?

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Re: Possible bug with thanatology/skinning on 06/18/2015 03:09 PM CDT
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While I do not know whether this is an intended feature of the system or not, thank you for bringing it to our attention. I'll send it onward.

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Re: Possible bug with thanatology/skinning on 06/18/2015 03:37 PM CDT
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I will be sad if this isn't intended. Figured once the arise ritual was performed, the markings of that ritual is what ruins the value of potential skins. Arranging itself isn't cutting, since you don't need a blade to arrange, so it should be fine.
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Re: Possible bug with thanatology/skinning on 06/18/2015 04:21 PM CDT
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>So, we can't train skinning by doing arise on a corpse because it's "already skinned", but i just discovered we CAN train skinning by doing preserve, arranging 5 times, and then doing arise. is this intended?

Not sure if it's intended, but it's always been this way. Not sure it's particularly useful - ARRANGE doesn't teach me a whole lot.

if you want to train Thanatology, PRESERVE (and ARRANGE FULL) then ARISE. If you want to train Skinning, HARVEST or PRESERVE then SKIN.
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Re: Possible bug with thanatology/skinning on 06/18/2015 04:34 PM CDT
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>>if you want to train Thanatology, PRESERVE (and ARRANGE FULL) then ARISE. If you want to train Skinning, HARVEST or PRESERVE then SKIN.

didn't think you could skin once it's harvested.

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Re: Possible bug with thanatology/skinning on 06/18/2015 04:35 PM CDT
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Harvest won't let you skin iirc. The point of harvest is to let you learn skinning on mobs that don't otherwise teach it, albeit at a trickle.

The main drawback of arise is you lose out on the value of the skin for skinnables. Speaking as someone that spent most of my circles hunting mobs that drop no loot, this is a pretty huge loss of income and enough of a drawback.



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Re: Possible bug with thanatology/skinning on 06/18/2015 05:05 PM CDT
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>didn't think you could skin once it's harvested.

You cannot, that was unclearly written -

To train Skinning you can HARVEST or you can PRESERVE&SKIN
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Re: Possible bug with thanatology/skinning on 06/18/2015 06:39 PM CDT
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I reported this a LONG time ago to Zeyurn and at the time he thought it was fine. Of course it may be different now.

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Re: Possible bug with thanatology/skinning on 06/20/2015 09:03 PM CDT
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I just tested and you can also

preserve
x5 arrange
harvest


Also, wasn't there an exp change recently where preserve/harvest/arise all give the same exp? Although I think they give varying DO so arise probably isn't needed anymore.
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Re: Possible bug with thanatology/skinning on 06/20/2015 11:46 PM CDT
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>Also, wasn't there an exp change recently where preserve/harvest/arise all give the same exp? Although I think they give varying DO so arise probably isn't needed anymore.

I don't think so? I think it was always the case that ARISE gives most Than, whereas HARVEST gives Skinning and Than, and PRESERVE gives Than and First Aid.

My Necro does ARISE to any non-skinnable critter he hunts, otherwise does PRESERVE and SKIN on something he can skin, unless Skinning is locked, then he ARISE's kills. I don't have a problem with DO from rituals, and I spend half my time hunting with Trans buffs up.
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Re: Possible bug with thanatology/skinning on 06/20/2015 11:54 PM CDT
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They all give the same amount of experience, IIRC. The difference is that preserve and harvest split that experience between two skills, whereas arise is pure Thanatology.

They did all get experience tweaks recently, but this was a buff to preserve/harvest (throwing a bone to noobcros) and a matching downtweak to arise to compensate for preserve.



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Re: Possible bug with thanatology/skinning on 06/21/2015 02:20 PM CDT
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I definitely read it somewhere, but I can't find it now.

It was something along the lines of

"We felt that players shouldn't be picking rituals for exp purposes, but instead for the ritual purposes. So exp has been made the same for all rituals. They all teach Than/FA/Skin."
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