Race Chart on 12/30/2002 09:45 PM CST
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Generally I don't see too many problems except for the following:

Elotheans, S'Kra Mur: 5.75 - 6.25 feet male, 5.25 - 6 feet female


That may be fine for Elotheans. However, in the case of the S'kra Mur it is in error, as it has been known that among the S'kra Mur, the FEMALE is larger than the MALE.


I posted to that effect when Solomon first posted the link in error.

Please rectify.


Schvartz

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Re: Race Chart on 12/30/2002 10:02 PM CST
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Is that in a book? The picture on the website shows the female as smaller. Not looking for a conflict, I know nothing about your race. Just pointing out the discrepancy there as well, if there is one in the height here.

Xoren
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Re: Race Chart on 12/30/2002 10:07 PM CST
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Mmkay, I wrestled with the boards some more and fixed S'Kra. The females are generally larger than the males. However, the shortest female will likely be shorter than the largest male.

-Tessima
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Re: Race Chart on 12/30/2002 10:23 PM CST
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Tessima, this may be a silly question, but I have to ask:

When members of two different races make a baby together, is the baby always one or the other? For example, it's been said that when a Human and an Elf have a baby, the child is always either entirely Human or entirely Elven. Is it similar when an Elothean has a baby with a Kaldar? Or is one race generally "dominant," or can you end up with something entirely different altogether?

Thanks,
player of a few of varied races
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Re: Race Chart on 12/30/2002 10:32 PM CST
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<< Tessima, this may be a silly question, but I have to ask: >>


That's not a silly question. That's a very good question. However, it's one we're not quite ready to answer yet. As you can probably imagine, that answer would have huge ramifications.

Trundling back to the laboratory,
Tessima
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Re: Race Chart on 12/30/2002 10:37 PM CST
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<<When members of two different races make a baby together, is the baby always one or the other?>>

Who cares... What I want to know is how much mech lore you learn for making babies and if you check exp often wile doing it does that penalize your overall gain? If you make babies with a race that is difficult for you does it grant a mech lore bonus?

See all these people thought mech was gonna stay boaring! Haa...

Soim
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Re: Race Chart on 12/30/2002 10:47 PM CST
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>S'Kra Mur: 100 years (75 years)

Gender: Male Age: 25

You mean I'll only be able to play my primary for. . . ::mathmathmath:: 18.75 more years or so? What will I do with my free time when I'm 41? PANIC!

And for good measure, I'm not sure I like the connotations involved with "Fixing" S'kra. That's just naughty.

~I.B.
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Re: Race Chart on 12/30/2002 10:50 PM CST
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i would think making babies would fall under Survival skill rather than lore...



hmmm, do drums of the snake really help?
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Re: Race Chart on 12/30/2002 10:51 PM CST
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<< And for good measure, I'm not sure I like the connotations involved with "Fixing" S'kra.

It was just a little cut... and paste...

-Tessima
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Re: Race Chart on 12/30/2002 10:54 PM CST
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<<You mean I'll only be able to play my primary for. . . ::mathmathmath:: 18.75 more years or so? What will I do with my free time when I'm 41? PANIC!>>

I see one of three options...

1. By that time there will be some 200th circle moonie enchantment to deal with time and space and methods to unravel and reweave it on some molecular level in tissue.
were when invoked it will make you 10 years younger. It will sell cheap 41 years from now and only run you like 200,000 plat.

2. Some uber high level Shift abality by then will be live. and cost a arm and leg.

3. Or there will just be some merchant with waters from the fountain of youth or something like that that sells you a vial for some obsene price.


Soim
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Re: Race Chart on 12/30/2002 11:15 PM CST
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I'm'a be some kinda demigod by then. Minor deity in charge of all those little disasters Ushnish doesn't have time for. When the devil is too busy, and death's a bit too much, you know? But yeah, demigods don't need to worry about age. Ta dah.

~I.B.
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Re: Race Chart on 12/31/2002 05:14 AM CST
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So we can expect half elf/half dwarf or third human/third tog third elf characters to be "born" as new Player Characters? What kind of race bonus/penalties can we expect? With the crossbreeding possible from the race charts, this seems a logical next step. Maybe you could pick 2 or 3 races and the Character Generator would make a role based on how tough it is.

Magdar
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Re: Race Chart on 12/31/2002 05:52 AM CST
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Half-Elf (Human-Elf)

Elf - +1 discipline, strength, stamina / -1 reflex, agility, charisma
Human - 0 across board

Half-Elf -- +1 strength, stamina / -1 reflex, agility


(grin)

Where does Pilf sign up to be a half-elf? (grin)





<<So we can expect half elf/half dwarf or third human/third tog third elf characters to be "born" as new Player Characters? What kind of race bonus/penalties can we expect? With the crossbreeding possible from the race charts, this seems a logical next step. Maybe you could pick 2 or 3 races and the Character Generator would make a role based on how tough it is.>>
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Re: Race Chart on 12/31/2002 08:25 AM CST
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One of the problems I see with allowing this degree of interbreeding is that, by this logic, virtually every Human/Elf/Dwarf/Halfling/Kaldar/Rakash/Gnome/Eloth is going to be walking around with genetic heritage from every other one of those races. All it takes is one Eloth/Human couple to have a child, that child meets a nice Human boy/girl, they have some kids, and in several hundred years virtually every Human has an Elothean ancestor. Makes me want to go roll up a Tog.

Ruhrik
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Re: Race Chart on 12/31/2002 10:50 AM CST
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>predict future dragonrealms breeding

I'm going to guess that half-breeds arn't on the horizon. Instead, the question will be about whether race is determined by...

Gender: If Mom is an Elf, you're an Elf.
Genetic Dominates: It doesn't matter of Mom is an Elf; Dad is a Human, and Human genes are pronounced.
Completely Random: You could be Human, Elf, or S'lai for Mom and Dad's troubles.

Larcus' Player
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Re: Race Chart on 12/31/2002 11:02 AM CST
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Unless the crossbreeds are sterile, like mules. *evil grin*


<<One of the problems I see with allowing this degree of interbreeding is that, by this logic, virtually every Human/Elf/Dwarf/Halfling/Kaldar/Rakash/Gnome/Eloth is going to be walking around with genetic heritage from every other one of those races. All it takes is one Eloth/Human couple to have a child, that child meets a nice Human boy/girl, they have some kids, and in several hundred years virtually every Human has an Elothean ancestor. Makes me want to go roll up a Tog.>>

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Re: Race Chart on 12/31/2002 11:21 AM CST
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It's already been determined for Elves. If parent A is an Elf, and parent B is race X, any child will be born either 100% Elf, or 100% race X. Chances are basically random, with no real "dominance" occuring at any sort of consistency, and no regard to the race of grandparents or ancestors included anywhere.


~ Celestian Kougen Aensworth

Light creates shadow; light destroys shadow.
Such is the transience of darkness.
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Re: Race Chart on 12/31/2002 12:41 PM CST
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>It's already been determined for Elves. If parent A is an Elf, and parent B is race X, any child will be born either 100% Elf, or 100% race X.

I think that's the way it's going to have to be for everyone, based on the fact that, within the context of the game, you have to be ONE race. The problem is, I'm not sure what it means. Say your race X is Halfling. The gods flip a coin and the child turns out to be an Elf. Does this mean that the child can have no features of the Halfling parent? That doesn't make sense, because then he/she would be basically a twin (clone) of the Elf parent. So, you must be able to inherit features from both parents.

The only way I can see this working at all is for features from the Halfling parent to be integrated within the Elf "framework." So, you are an Elf, but your father was a Halfling who happened to be tall for his race. This would increase the likelihood that you are tall _for an Elf_. Crudely, the "tall gene" applies to your basic Elf mold. You could also inherit minor features that were consistent with your race. So, the Human child of an Elf with freckles and a Human could inherit freckles but not pointy ears.

Regardless, this whole interbreeding thing is an enormous can of worms.

Ruhrik
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Re: Race Chart on 12/31/2002 03:15 PM CST
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If this information isn't accessible in game, it ought to be.

Informational posts have a nasty habit of disappearing into the ether every now and then, leaving me, and probably a bunch of other people, going 'Did they really say that or am I making it all up?'

Help races, perhaps, or something along those lines.

~Y
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Re: Race Chart on 12/31/2002 03:20 PM CST
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Good idea. I'll investigate the HELP options.

-Tessima
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Re: Race Chart on 12/31/2002 03:51 PM CST
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Tessima, perhaps adding a subsection to each of the race pages under the DR Info section on the website? :smiles: I'm sure that would also be helpful, and perhaps a tad more intuitive than wading through the IG Help files.

Just a suggestion

Mellisandre
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Re: Race Chart on 12/31/2002 04:08 PM CST
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All of this is going on the web, but for availability in-game, I think HELP's a nifty idea. I've never placed anything in HELP before, of course, but I'll find out how it's done!

-Tessima
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Re: Race Chart on 01/01/2003 10:26 AM CST
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A suggestion: To combat the impending population explosion or until race combinations are determined, and everyone figures out what skill "making babies" uses, might I suggest the eager breeding population keep a sphere of protection scroll handy for just such emergencies.

~Enchante, who is so glad she picked Tremor as a spell choice.
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Re: Race Chart on 01/01/2003 11:13 AM CST
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<<One of the problems I see with allowing this degree of interbreeding is that, by this logic, virtually every Human/Elf/Dwarf/Halfling/Kaldar/Rakash/Gnome/Eloth is going to be walking around with genetic heritage from every other one of those races. All it takes is one Eloth/Human couple to have a child, that child meets a nice Human boy/girl, they have some kids, and in several hundred years virtually every Human has an Elothean ancestor. Makes me want to go roll up a Tog.>>

Erm.. have you noticed all the freaky multiracial couples floating around the realms PRIOR to this chart??? I think this chart is wonderful because instead of arguing whether or not a prydaen and a s'kra can mate... there's no arguments. ;)
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Re: Race Chart on 01/01/2003 11:33 AM CST
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<<I think this chart is wonderful because instead of arguing whether or not a prydaen and a s'kra can mate... there's no arguments. >>

Actually, the chart doesn't say they can't mate. Just says they can't procreate. <hums innocently>
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Re: Race Chart on 01/01/2003 12:16 PM CST
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>Erm.. have you noticed all the freaky multiracial couples floating around the realms PRIOR to this chart??? I think this chart is wonderful because instead of arguing whether or not a prydaen and a s'kra can mate... there's no arguments. ;)

Yeah, I noticed them. I never believed they could procreate though, with a very small number of possible exceptions.

Ruhrik
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Re: Race Chart on 01/01/2003 12:49 PM CST
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>>Actually, the chart doesn't say they can't mate. Just says they can't procreate. <hums innocently><<


My mistake.. I was including procreation under mating. :P
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Re: Race Chart on 01/02/2003 04:05 AM CST
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>>~Enchante, who is so glad she picked Tremor as a spell choice.

I can't help but picture one of those beds that you put a quarter into to make it vibrate.

-Steinn-
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Re: Race Chart on 01/30/2003 11:10 AM CST
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Personally I didnaye think that Elves died, was always under the impression they faded once they felt the need to leave the lands. I doubt they all get that notion at 400 years or some such.

Signed,
DT
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Re: Race Chart on 01/30/2003 12:08 PM CST
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Elves are immortal in Middle Earth, not in Elanthia. Here, they die.

Vien
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Re: Race Chart on 01/30/2003 01:07 PM CST
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> Elves are immortal in Middle Earth, not in Elanthia. Here, they die.


With the new info, this is true. Under the rather limited "old" info, DT's impression that they just faded when they got tired was quite understandable, since pretty much all the (rather limited) in-game information pointed that way. I'm still a bit disappointed in the change, simply because it's so contrary to what the in-game information has led folks to believe all these years. If it had been that way all along, it'd be one thing, but unfortunately, it wasn't.


Dash & the gang

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Re: Race Chart on 01/30/2003 01:08 PM CST
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>>Elves are immortal in Middle Earth, not in Elanthia. Here, they die.

Although they live long enough that the shorter lived races may think otherwise.

-Steinn-
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Re: Race Chart on 01/30/2003 01:32 PM CST
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Yes but according to the old sources even the dwarves were outlived by the elves. Now we just share a lifespan. Tho elves seem to have a number of ways of staying young, if yer in seats of power.
-Grid
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Re: Race Chart on 01/30/2003 02:49 PM CST
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All you need is a empath of immense skill to live forever. And if you had two each one keeping the other young as well as you.....well you really could just keep going and going and going. But personally I prefer necromancy




Got favor?
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Re: Race Chart on 02/01/2003 11:41 PM CST
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>>Tho elves seem to have a number of ways of staying young, if yer in seats of power.<<

I still want to sell a youth potion under the 'Taramaine's, 'I Can't Believe He's Not Dead'' brand.

Larcus' Player
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