I've seen a bit of this on these forums, I've seen it really nasty on the sub reddit, and I've seen a bit in game and on the discord.
Whenever a new user ID shows up, if it doesn't tow the hivemind, it's immediately assigned to a known 'troll' and insulted, downvoted, etc.
DR doesn't have a whole lot of people playing it any more. Sure, it's way too easy to make a F2P alt to agree with yourself. But going on witch hunts is really not conducive to good public image, guys.
Witch hunting on 04/29/2017 12:11 PM CDT
Re: Witch hunting on 04/29/2017 02:02 PM CDT
What hive mind? Since its inception DR's community been a minority of small cliques hurling barbs at each other. Most players don't even talk. It's just the social structure actively promoted by the game.
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They're proud of them." -Raesh, on history
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They're proud of them." -Raesh, on history
Re: Witch hunting on 04/29/2017 08:08 PM CDT
Are you talking about witch hunting of players or witch hunting of characters, because if it is just charcters then it should be viewed as just a role-play thing in my mind.
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Re: Witch hunting on 04/29/2017 11:20 PM CDT
Re: Witch hunting on 04/30/2017 02:23 PM CDT
>Whenever a new user ID shows up, if it doesn't tow the hivemind, it's immediately assigned to a known 'troll' and insulted, downvoted, etc.
I'm not sure how familiar you are with reddit, but I can assure you there have been very very blatant and obvious trolls on /r/dragonrealms. This has nothing to do with towing to the hivemind, and everything to do with the behavior/comments/posts of these trolls.
Re: Witch hunting on 05/02/2017 12:35 PM CDT
<DR doesn't have a whole lot of people playing it any more. Sure, it's way too easy to make a F2P alt to agree with yourself. But going on witch hunts is really not conducive to good public image, guys.
I agree. I think people are very passionate about the game and they misconstrue someone having a different take on an aspect of the game that is so totally alien from their own and their peers in such a fundamentally basic way that it solicits nothing but derision.
However the community is so much more than hostility and cynicism based sole on differences.
Re: Witch hunting on 05/02/2017 02:07 PM CDT
>>I think people are very passionate about the game and they misconstrue someone having a different take on an aspect of the game that is so totally alien from their own and their peers in such a fundamentally basic way that it solicits nothing but derision.
To be fair, if I randomly walked into your house and said your food sucked you'd be annoyed, too.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
To be fair, if I randomly walked into your house and said your food sucked you'd be annoyed, too.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
Re: Witch hunting on 05/02/2017 05:33 PM CDT
There is a difference between a different opinion and some one repeatedly attacking other players, the gms, and in some cases the game as a whole. Repeated accusations of wrong doing based on some warped sense of what really happens because a person, regardless of their characters stature, has no really experience in the game or with the people they are accusing. Blatantly disrespecting, and disregarding others opinions, or knowledge based on actual experience, and then backpedaling and claiming to be the one disrespected or "bullied" to make it not their fault because some one else totally misunderstood them. Some one creating multiple accounts to argue a point, or agree with themselves because no one else does...
As a community, even those of us that don't necessarily "like" each other, there has been a solid consensus that this behavior is not something we appreciate or condone. It is not "we can say mean things but you can't" or us against some one else, it is we love this game, appreciate the GMs and the work they do even when we don't really like it 100% of the time, and recognize that there are flaws in the system, but at the end of the day we won't tolerate that kind of awful behavior and when some one creates that pattern, we react.
It is not witch hunting when there is a pattern of that behavior and it pops up again and again. When a "new account" type person falls right into it, well, it is hard to believe that they are not that same person doing exactly what they always do and lying about it just like every time before. I am not presuming to speak for the entire community, but I don't think I am far off from how most of us feel about the situation, and if I am then I apologize and you should keep on acting like the giant turd you seem to enjoy being. But, maybe, since you seem to recognize that there is a pattern in the way folks react to you, it might be time to assess that and take some responsibility for it, as opposed to pointing at everyone else.
Re: Witch hunting on 05/02/2017 07:59 PM CDT
I don't think having an opinion is a bad thing. I have never claimed to be the most informed player, rather the opposite as you well know BLUTURTL1428, I think we spoke IG on this. I have however played the game for a very long time. Speaking to the "hive mind" weighing in on the community, staff, and players does nothing but risk hurting ones own reputation especially when it goes against the grain. Which is why the most elegant of us are usually the most popular. They can word their criticisms with gentle subtleties and mindful understandings of peoples feelings.
Unfortunately diplomacy... this is a virtue I do not easily possess.
In a game as we play it is all about imagination and the freedom to explore fantasies alongside the friends you make. The medium for that experience is accountability and trust.
If you lose either of those things you inevitably lose your membership card, lose both accountability and trust, and well c'est la vie.
So I understand the want to be angry at people making ALT accounts, neither accountability or trust and yet an opinion but BADGOPHER is not wrong in that it does no one any good to recklessly attribute an opinion to be motivated purely for mischief and malice.
BLUTURTL1428 these are all my opinions, I have not insulted you or anyone or disrespected you or anyone. I may be wrong but you seem upset so let me repeat myself from a month earlier when you posted. And what I said IG.
If you or people you know are upset I have no problem having a polite conversation. This is not a troll, I am not a troll. This is a gesture of good will.
Re: Witch hunting on 05/02/2017 08:44 PM CDT
I am sorry to disappoint you, I am not upset. I was simply trying to explain where the attitude would come from by pointing out YOUR own actions and how OTHER people might feel like that behavior is a little unbalanced. I didn't expect you to cop to your own actions, because that would some how be like taking responsibility for the things you have said and done. Your self-depreciating admission to not being good with diplomacy, while trying to assign emotions to me and others is sad. YOu very obviously feel picked on or at and unappreciated for your opinions, and I am sorry you have not found the right audience to bow down to your obvious greatness. (except for yourself, you TOTALLY agree with you, imagine that!) It would take a complete dunderhead to think that our interactions IG have resembled anything remotely close to RP, that is not being unskilled, it is being completely ignorant of the concept if that was truly what you were attempting. While you think of ways to explain to me how I am wrong, you are right, but so not perfect and misunderstood, and I am a little right while being totally wrong, I am going to go back to politely ignoring you because my time is much better spent on things and people that are not ego-maniacal dunderheads.
Re: Witch hunting on 05/02/2017 08:58 PM CDT
I am not trying to tell you how to feel, I am not disappointed in the fact that you are not upset. People usually don't post with insulting accusations when they are not upset.
My offer for a conversation was just trying to be nice. It's an olive branch. Nothing more. You want to continually take shots at me repeatedly highlighting my every implied social misstep. I'm the one being accused and I can't even follow along and keep up at this point.
Once upon a time I asked you to help me with my role play, you declined. Which is your right. No one is under any obligation to render assistance to anyone else.
But it's sort of ironic that you take the time to in turn point at my method of role play with negative opinion all things considered.
Again I post with no disrespect to you or anyone else.
Re: Witch hunting on 05/02/2017 09:24 PM CDT
Re: Witch hunting on 05/02/2017 10:00 PM CDT
>>I am not trying to tell you how to feel, I am not disappointed in the fact that you are not upset. People usually don't post with insulting accusations when they are not upset.
>>But it's sort of ironic that you take the time to in turn point at my method of role play with negative opinion all things considered.
Oh Tarlof you are so full of it.
You arent trying to roleplay. You stalk people, you menace them IRL, you call out their real names IG to try and intimidate them, and you attempt to womanize and are usually at least marginally successful at what you do. The fact that I can't and wont post this on my normal account for fear of your crazy cyber-stalking attitude is a testament to these facts. The lucky part for you is that most of these women are so fearful of reprisal from you because you cozy up to them and learn so much about them (ladies, let this be a lesson. Dont trust internet people with too much personal information. Scary stuff can happen) that they'd rather just remain silent so as not to provoke an insane-person response from you. That should speak volumes about who you are and what you do.
Putting all that aside, You've been flagged as PVP open (without being killed very often at all to my recollection, seeing as how your main womanizer a level 200th warmage) and then found someone whom you've had an axe to grind with that ALSO happens to be pvp open, and you simply change your profile to closed so that you can go ahead and murder them without any reprisal. If you want to brush up on your RP skills my first recommendation to you aside from getting medicated would be to pick a pvp stance and play that stance consistently. Nobody likes a bully.
I do find it kind of hilarious that every time you misstep and get yourself in hot water you wait 30 or so days and try to reinvent yourself like some cheap two-bit salesman on a 3am infomercial and expect people to forget that you are a nutbar.
Just my 2 cents.
An anonymous observer
>>But it's sort of ironic that you take the time to in turn point at my method of role play with negative opinion all things considered.
Oh Tarlof you are so full of it.
You arent trying to roleplay. You stalk people, you menace them IRL, you call out their real names IG to try and intimidate them, and you attempt to womanize and are usually at least marginally successful at what you do. The fact that I can't and wont post this on my normal account for fear of your crazy cyber-stalking attitude is a testament to these facts. The lucky part for you is that most of these women are so fearful of reprisal from you because you cozy up to them and learn so much about them (ladies, let this be a lesson. Dont trust internet people with too much personal information. Scary stuff can happen) that they'd rather just remain silent so as not to provoke an insane-person response from you. That should speak volumes about who you are and what you do.
Putting all that aside, You've been flagged as PVP open (without being killed very often at all to my recollection, seeing as how your main womanizer a level 200th warmage) and then found someone whom you've had an axe to grind with that ALSO happens to be pvp open, and you simply change your profile to closed so that you can go ahead and murder them without any reprisal. If you want to brush up on your RP skills my first recommendation to you aside from getting medicated would be to pick a pvp stance and play that stance consistently. Nobody likes a bully.
I do find it kind of hilarious that every time you misstep and get yourself in hot water you wait 30 or so days and try to reinvent yourself like some cheap two-bit salesman on a 3am infomercial and expect people to forget that you are a nutbar.
Just my 2 cents.
An anonymous observer
Re: Witch hunting on 05/03/2017 01:00 AM CDT
>>I have never claimed to be the most informed player, rather the opposite
>>Unfortunately diplomacy... this is a virtue I do not easily possess.
Maybe this is what is hurting you (and theoretical others) more than "going against the grain" when it comes to opinions and ideas.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
>>Unfortunately diplomacy... this is a virtue I do not easily possess.
Maybe this is what is hurting you (and theoretical others) more than "going against the grain" when it comes to opinions and ideas.
Uzmam! The Chairman will NOT be pleased to know you're trying to build outside of approved zones. I'd hate for you to be charged the taxes needed to have this place re-zoned. Head for the manor if you're feeling creative.
Re: Witch hunting on 05/03/2017 09:05 AM CDT
The lack of personal awareness and responsibility for actions is literally a conversation that was had less than a week ago on reddit regarding this very matter. The conversation hasn't 'come full circle', it's passed go, with 200 dollars not collected, and we're just doing it all over, againstill.
Re: Witch hunting on 05/04/2017 11:41 AM CDT
Re: Witch hunting on 05/05/2017 06:46 PM CDT
>Someone got trolled. Which one? Hard to tell<
The butler in the dining room with a candle stick. ahhhhaaaaa!
" Its like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I could been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong, you know, and I'm sorry cause I could be wrong right now, I could be wrong, but if I'm right... "
The butler in the dining room with a candle stick. ahhhhaaaaa!
" Its like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I could been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong, you know, and I'm sorry cause I could be wrong right now, I could be wrong, but if I'm right... "
Re: Witch hunting on 05/06/2017 07:01 PM CDT
I can totally understand the whole witch hunting thing. I was accused OOC of being someone's alt several weeks ago. I'm not even sure what I'm supposed to do about that, but it's a crappy feeling. And, no, I wasn't even conversing, I was very kindly healing some person who had requested it immediately after they asked, so...?
Re: Witch hunting on 05/08/2017 09:06 AM CDT
<I can totally understand the whole witch hunting thing. I was accused OOC of being someone's alt several weeks ago. I'm not even sure what I'm supposed to do about that, but it's a crappy feeling. And, no, I wasn't even conversing, I was very kindly healing some person who had requested it immediately after they asked, so...?
Well I'm sorry that happened to you. I'm personally glad people heal someone who needs healing regardless of their OOC opinions. There are some very passionate people who play and sometimes their imaginations run away with them.
Railing against someone and labeling them an "ALT" or "Troll" is the first step to dehumanizing a person, a psychological procedure on it's way to brutality. A severing of a persons empathy towards another human being in order to inflict as much harm as possible with the least amount of self responsibility. After all, the target is just an "ALT" or "Troll". It's like victim blaming a punching bag.
The sad fact is, people that do this never realize they are harming themselves as much as their target. And as an additional nature of the beast, the community.
Because eventually, everyone is a target for their delusions. The only people safe from the animosity are those who echo their hive mind rhetoric. Any new voice that is added to the chorus here or anywhere that deviates with its own unique melody is isolated, harassed and drowned in a sea of malcontent.
Re: Witch hunting on 05/08/2017 09:14 AM CDT
>Railing against someone and labeling them an "ALT" or "Troll" is the first step to dehumanizing a person, a psychological procedure on it's way to brutality. A severing of a persons empathy towards another human being in order to inflict as much harm as possible with the least amount of self responsibility. After all, the target is just an "ALT" or "Troll". It's like victim blaming a punching bag.
Lets rein the arm chair psychoanalysis a little here dude. The point here is that you of all people shouldn't be complaining about use of alt accounts for continuing to stir up slapfightery in multiple places. Multiple people across multiple mediums have brought this up, so playing victim at this point is real constant, not 'maliciously dehumanizing other players'. If you want this behavior towards you to stop, as again has already been pointed out to you, you should ask yourself if your behavior/actions have anything to do with things.
As with the last time this was said to you, you probably will try and shift the blame to someone else. So, still yet, round and round we go.
Re: Witch hunting on 05/08/2017 09:20 AM CDT
Re: Witch hunting on 05/08/2017 09:31 AM CDT
Re: Witch hunting on 05/08/2017 09:36 AM CDT
Re: Witch hunting on 05/08/2017 09:43 AM CDT
>>If people are witch hunted in a bigoted justification of malice as they apparently have been. Shouldn't we all condemn the behavior?
Sure, if people are being witch hunted in a bigoted justification of malice as you believe they are it should be condemned.
If instead they're being witch hunted because your actions and the actions of other like minded 'people' who may or may not be your alt accounts have stirred everyone else up to the point of taking pot shots at anyone who seems like they're probably you, then it's your actions that should be condemned and hopefully ceased.
Sure, if people are being witch hunted in a bigoted justification of malice as you believe they are it should be condemned.
If instead they're being witch hunted because your actions and the actions of other like minded 'people' who may or may not be your alt accounts have stirred everyone else up to the point of taking pot shots at anyone who seems like they're probably you, then it's your actions that should be condemned and hopefully ceased.
Re: Witch hunting on 05/08/2017 09:48 AM CDT
Re: Witch hunting on 05/08/2017 09:56 AM CDT
Please stop being so obtuse and deflecting constantly. It's virtually impossible to have a legitimate conversation with you given your propensity for doing this.
The topic is witch hunting. YOU are a frequent poster on reddit (and quite possibly this forum as well) using alts to stir the pot. I responded to YOU talking about malicious accusations of 'dehumanizing a person, a psychological procedure on it's way to brutality', and your response was, of course, to deflect. Stop deflecting. Start responding and in good faith trying to engage. This is NOT the first time this has been said to you.
The topic is witch hunting. YOU are a frequent poster on reddit (and quite possibly this forum as well) using alts to stir the pot. I responded to YOU talking about malicious accusations of 'dehumanizing a person, a psychological procedure on it's way to brutality', and your response was, of course, to deflect. Stop deflecting. Start responding and in good faith trying to engage. This is NOT the first time this has been said to you.
Re: Witch hunting on 05/08/2017 10:01 AM CDT
>>Again kindly
>>The subject is witch hunting, someone was "witch hunted" that was the point of my post.
>>I'm flattered you want to talk about me but out of respect for the thread perhaps make a new one.
"Hey, don't discuss the cause, just feel bad for the collateral damage" is an insincere position to take when you're a large part of the reason it's happening at all.
>>The subject is witch hunting, someone was "witch hunted" that was the point of my post.
>>I'm flattered you want to talk about me but out of respect for the thread perhaps make a new one.
"Hey, don't discuss the cause, just feel bad for the collateral damage" is an insincere position to take when you're a large part of the reason it's happening at all.