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I am a brand new thief. I'm a halfling with four circles under my belt. I have just started backstabing the goblins. I have a stileto that is light eged and a forged sabre that is medium eged. It takes about 10 backstabs to kill a goblin using the stileto. It takes 2 or 3 backstabs to kill with the sabre.
Question: Will medium eged remain better than light eged at backstabing as I advance? I have 20 in LE, ME and backstab. If ME will always remain better, why train LE at all? LE seems to be a pretty weak weapon.
Eusebius
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What you are seeing right now seems to be about normal. I can't say if it will remain so- but you could train both edges so you'll be ready if something changes. And the TDPs won't hurt either!
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I have always used LE for backstabbing (mostly because I am a gnome and it just feels right), but I have gotten to the point where I can kill swampies with anywhere from 1-3 backstabs with 1 sec RT, while taking reasonably low damage (meaning this is not backtraining, this is normal training). SO, LE is definitely a legitimate strategy, and while most people say the MEs hit infinitely harder you will come to see that LEs can get this job done just as well.
<<I was wondering about training ME for backstab and picking up HE rather than the LE. I wasn't sure of the viability of this method.>>
My thief is ME primary HE secondary weapon wise.
What i have found it that ME really outpaces the HE due to the sizable hits backstabbing produces. I like HE since it forces defense training being out in the open, though ambush and a reasonably weight sword can be nice too.
also contemplate a ranged, Short bow and light crossbow are two that are typically recommended. Short bow has the fast load time, Light crossbow can be used with a huge shield in hand (better protection than a small arm worn)
Yamcer
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My thief is ME primary HE secondary weapon wise.
What i have found it that ME really outpaces the HE due to the sizable hits backstabbing produces. I like HE since it forces defense training being out in the open, though ambush and a reasonably weight sword can be nice too.
also contemplate a ranged, Short bow and light crossbow are two that are typically recommended. Short bow has the fast load time, Light crossbow can be used with a huge shield in hand (better protection than a small arm worn)
Yamcer
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I found playing a Moon Mage as armor tert, I did better when I trained enough weapons to keep your defense up with your weapons. Your better rounded as a player that way even if it takes a little while longer to circle. I'm training:
LE, ME, Light Thrown, Short Bow and brawling
I was considering replacing LE with HE.
My wife: How do you win Dragon Realms?
Me: It's not a game you win or lose. It's just fun to play.
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LE, ME, Light Thrown, Short Bow and brawling
I was considering replacing LE with HE.
My wife: How do you win Dragon Realms?
Me: It's not a game you win or lose. It's just fun to play.
My wife: It's stupid to play a game that you can't win.
<< Will medium eged remain better than light eged at backstabing as I advance>>
I have ME as my top weapon, and LE as my second highest, with approximately 75 rank difference between the two <because i tend to train ME out in the open for defensive work as well> I find that both of them perform approximately the same as far as stabbing, for the most part. The LE has an advantage of having less of a RT after you've completed your stab, even having capped the maximum there. The ME is good for when you really have to kill something fast. Train 'em both for stabbity goodness. :-)
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I have ME as my top weapon, and LE as my second highest, with approximately 75 rank difference between the two <because i tend to train ME out in the open for defensive work as well> I find that both of them perform approximately the same as far as stabbing, for the most part. The LE has an advantage of having less of a RT after you've completed your stab, even having capped the maximum there. The ME is good for when you really have to kill something fast. Train 'em both for stabbity goodness. :-)
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I like to train both LE and ME, where my LE is usually a shriike from the knife clan. I also prefer the 1 second rt after the stab with LE, as opposed to 3 or 4 with ME. At higher skill levels you will find yourself killing critters with 1 backstab with either weapon.
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Opinion: I have noticed you can hit above your normal critter level with LE.
ME will do more damage at level but LE can extend what you can hunt further along. I have a 50 rank difference of ME over LE, but I can hit stronger critters with LE.
ME does do more damage when you do hit though.
Train both, brawling, a ranged, and shield.
ME will do more damage at level but LE can extend what you can hunt further along. I have a 50 rank difference of ME over LE, but I can hit stronger critters with LE.
ME does do more damage when you do hit though.
Train both, brawling, a ranged, and shield.
LE hands down. I believe that a thief's best defense (other than a strong offense) is his/her stealths. Even if you don't kill with LE in one hit, chances are very good your opponent will not see you approaching, and you should at least end up getting a stun, a 1 second roundtime, and back in hiding ready for another try before the stun wears off. Using ME can leave you hanging out in the open for 4 seconds before you can hide again.
Personally, short bow (Nisha bow reduced roundtime in particular) is a fantastic option when combined with capped basilisk arrows. There are hazards associated with getting to melee on certain guild types, and with enough ranks in short bow, you can load, aim, snipe very quickly.
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Personally, short bow (Nisha bow reduced roundtime in particular) is a fantastic option when combined with capped basilisk arrows. There are hazards associated with getting to melee on certain guild types, and with enough ranks in short bow, you can load, aim, snipe very quickly.
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Heh, well this is backwards from what I'd expect the responses to be.
For me if I want something dead, I'm going to use ME without a second thought.
For one, it's just stronger so you don't need that second hit or hope you stun them and have enough time to hide and stab again before they watch you.
For two, with enough skill you can do this anyway, which is arguably the only reason I would backstab with a dagger instead to retain the surprise attack.
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Another point, LE in "nonbackstab" combat is pretty terrible compared to ME.
And I suppose a final point would be, I'm biased because I own a mirror blade that due to my stats has more balance/suitedness than any dagger has other than its mirror shiv counterpart.
Of course, you have to go with what you feel suits you. Train both, see what you like.
For me if I want something dead, I'm going to use ME without a second thought.
For one, it's just stronger so you don't need that second hit or hope you stun them and have enough time to hide and stab again before they watch you.
For two, with enough skill you can do this anyway, which is arguably the only reason I would backstab with a dagger instead to retain the surprise attack.
You silently get your acid-etched sabre from your oilcloth rucksack.
Roundtime: 3 seconds.
Another point, LE in "nonbackstab" combat is pretty terrible compared to ME.
And I suppose a final point would be, I'm biased because I own a mirror blade that due to my stats has more balance/suitedness than any dagger has other than its mirror shiv counterpart.
Of course, you have to go with what you feel suits you. Train both, see what you like.
I think the point I was trying to get across is I could successfully stab a DS with a LE earlier than I could with a ME, despite a 40 rank deficit in LE. I would have to hide and stab it again usually, though.
Once I could successfully stab a DS with my ME, it was one stab to kill usually.
If I want something dead at level or below, ME is quicker. If I want something dead above my skill, LE has a better chance to hit.
At a certain point, there is a negligible difference in chance to hit, but ME retains it's power over LE.
>>Another point, LE in "nonbackstab" combat is pretty terrible compared to ME.<<
Absolutely true, its why I keep an iltesh over a forged LE/briq/whatever when normal hunting.
Overall, I would pick ME over LE.
Another point: You will probably be locking LE/ME before you are able to lock BS/Hide/Stalk. If you have both available to you, you can continue stabbing without mucking up your mind.
Once I could successfully stab a DS with my ME, it was one stab to kill usually.
If I want something dead at level or below, ME is quicker. If I want something dead above my skill, LE has a better chance to hit.
At a certain point, there is a negligible difference in chance to hit, but ME retains it's power over LE.
>>Another point, LE in "nonbackstab" combat is pretty terrible compared to ME.<<
Absolutely true, its why I keep an iltesh over a forged LE/briq/whatever when normal hunting.
Overall, I would pick ME over LE.
Another point: You will probably be locking LE/ME before you are able to lock BS/Hide/Stalk. If you have both available to you, you can continue stabbing without mucking up your mind.
