Integrating Backstab Into Normal Combat Strings on 06/11/2008 10:16 AM CDT
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Hey There!

I'm looking to add Backstab Into my normal combat routine (as a strong training aid). I find if I spam backstab, My balance tanks.

Currently I use:

Parry
Feint
Draw
Thrust
Jab
Dodge
Lunge

Looped

I would love to however, fit in a backstab somewhere in there (hiding included ofcourse).

Thoughts?

Shadows
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Re: Integrating Backstab Into Normal Combat Strings on 06/11/2008 10:37 AM CDT
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<<I'm looking to add Backstab Into my normal combat routine (as a strong training aid). I find if I spam backstab, My balance tanks.>>

a successful backstab will give a boost to your balance.

In the combat sequence a backstab is equivalent to a thrust. I personally jab after a backstab and than dodge.

I'd change your combo to...

Feint
Feint Lunge
Hide
Backstab
Jab
Dodge

Yamcer


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Re: Integrating Backstab Into Normal Combat Strings on 06/11/2008 10:41 AM CDT
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Doing so now,and will report the results shortly!

Shadows
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Re: Integrating Backstab Into Normal Combat Strings on 06/11/2008 10:52 AM CDT
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Assuming one Feint:

%1 = body part of choice

Works like a charm


[Table]

dodge:
pause 0
put dodge
match dodge ...wait
match dodge stunned
match feint already
match feint roundtime
matchwait

feint:
pause 0
put feint %1
match feint ...wait
match feint stunned
match lunge roundtime
match wait There is nothing else
match wait You aren't close enough to attack.
matchwait

lunge:
pause 0
put lunge %1
match lunge ...wait
match lunge stunned
match hide roundtime
match wait There is nothing else
match wait You aren't close enough to attack.
matchwait

hide:
pause 0
put hide
match hide ...wait
match hide stunned
match backstab blend
match backstab melt
match hide roundtime
match wait There is nothing else
match wait You aren't close enough to attack.
matchwait

backstab:
pause 0
put backstab
match backstab ...wait
match backstab stunned
match jab roundtime
match wait There is nothing else
match wait You aren't close enough to attack.
matchwait

jab:
pause 0
put jab %1
match jab ...wait
match jab stunned
match dodge roundtime
match wait There is nothing else
match wait You aren't close enough to attack.
matchwait

wait:
echo * WAITING * MOVE AT WILL *
put skin
pause
goto drop

drop:
put drop skin
put drop pelt
pause
goto dodge
[/Table]

Shadows
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Re: Integrating Backstab Into Normal Combat Strings on 06/11/2008 10:57 AM CDT
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I'd change the "Lunge" to a "Feint Lunge".


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Re: Integrating Backstab Into Normal Combat Strings on 06/11/2008 11:01 AM CDT
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<<Hmm, is that 2 feints on purpose?>>

Feint + (attack) is a method for doing certian moves in a sequence with out getting the penalty to defenses. But is also doesn't do as much damage as the attack would by itself.

Lunge has a huge defesne penalty and a feint lunge allows you to use a lunge in the combo with out ending up dead.




Yamcer


"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
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Re: Integrating Backstab Into Normal Combat Strings on 06/11/2008 11:01 AM CDT
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Odd, didnt know there was such a thing.


Thanks,

Shadows
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Re: Integrating Backstab Into Normal Combat Strings on 06/11/2008 11:03 AM CDT
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Noted. Thank you both


Shadows
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Re: Integrating Backstab Into Normal Combat Strings on 06/11/2008 11:12 AM CDT
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a few things i'd do to change your script a bit.



dodge:
match dodge ...wait
match dodge stunned
match feint already
match feint roundtime
put dodge
matchwait

feint:
match feint ...wait
match feint stunned
match lunge roundtime
match wait There is nothing else
match wait You aren't close enough to attack.
put feint %1
matchwait

lunge:
match lunge ...wait
match lunge stunned
match hide roundtime
match wait There is nothing else
match wait You aren't close enough to attack.
put feint lunge %1
matchwait

hide:
match hide ...wait
match hide stunned
match backstab blend
match backstab melt
match hide roundtime
match wait There is nothing else
match wait You aren't close enough to attack.
put hide
matchwait

backstab:
match backstab ...wait
match backstab stunned
match jab roundtime
match advance close enough <- can't remeber the exact messaging
match wait There is nothing else
match wait You aren't close enough to attack.
put backstab
matchwait

advance:
put engage
waitfor melee
goto backstab

jab:
match jab ...wait
match jab stunned
match dodge roundtime
match wait There is nothing else
match wait You aren't close enough to attack.
put jab %1
matchwait

wait:
echo * WAITING * MOVE AT WILL *
put skin
pause
goto drop

drop:
put drop skin
put drop pelt
pause
goto dodge




Yamcer


"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
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Re: Integrating Backstab Into Normal Combat Strings on 06/11/2008 11:13 AM CDT
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A great point.
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Re: Integrating Backstab Into Normal Combat Strings on 06/11/2008 11:19 AM CDT
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I also added:

match hide You must be hidden

In the backstab routine. Just incase your outed during that time.


Shadows.


P.S. Thanks for pointing out I had may matches after my action. I've forgotton most of what I learned before my last long break.
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Re: Integrating Backstab Into Normal Combat Strings on 06/11/2008 12:10 PM CDT
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Parry/backstab or jab/backstab are pretty simple and solid combos.
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Re: Integrating Backstab Into Normal Combat Strings on 06/11/2008 03:26 PM CDT
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Terc has always done the routine.

Attack
attack
hide
stalk
backstab
attack

Unless I'm going for the one shot kill.. then it's just hide, stalk, backstab

~Terc~


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Re: Integrating Backstab Into Normal Combat Strings on 06/11/2008 03:42 PM CDT
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How big a difference, does the stalk before backstab make? Or should I say, what difference does it make?

Shadows
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Re: Integrating Backstab Into Normal Combat Strings on 06/11/2008 07:00 PM CDT
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i've noticed that it does increase my rate of one hit kills, but by no means was my study scientific...

the other thing to keep in mind, if there are three critters in a room, and you hide, you gain the exp based on hiding on three, whereas you can only advance to melee on one and learn stalking based on that one, so hiding will lock faster than stalking.

the lesson is, even it it doesn't give any attack award, still do it...

-saul the gnome
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Re: Integrating Backstab Into Normal Combat Strings on 06/11/2008 09:00 PM CDT
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>>whereas you can only advance to melee on one and learn stalking based on that one

How sure are you of that? My feel is that you get more stalking from more creatures, too. Of course, I'm just as unscientific here, so I might just be wrong.


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And the truth isn't what you want to see.
In the dark, it is easy to pretend
That the truth is what it ought to be." - Erik Claudin
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Re: Integrating Backstab Into Normal Combat Strings on 06/12/2008 09:20 AM CDT
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>whereas you can only advance to melee on one and learn stalking based on that one, so hiding will lock faster than stalking.


That's wrong. You learn hiding and stalking based off however many critters hide and stalk in front of.


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Re: Integrating Backstab Into Normal Combat Strings on 06/12/2008 10:07 AM CDT
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<<How sure are you of that? My feel is that you get more stalking from more creatures, too. Of course, I'm just as unscientific here, so I might just be wrong.>>

Devan has the right of it here... Stealth checks go against everything in the room. You might be at melee with one troll, but all the other trolls do have a chance to spot you at thier respective range modifiers.


Yamcer


"You know, while I understand the importance of seeing the (personal) validity in other's arguments, it's impossible for me to believe fully that others are correct. If their argument was correct, I'd change mine." - My GF
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