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Okay...now this is in this folder because if it was skimming then well it's a conflict. While if it wasn't I'm sure someone will point it out. This is a log of what happened.
[Mother Magpie's Gems and Metals]
A thin film of grease and dust vies with the cobwebs to cover the floor and counter in the tiny shop. Old Mother Magpie is a familiar character to residents of the area commonly known as 'Tog Town. Dealing in gems and precious metals, rumor has it she also sponsors a band of street rats who bring her some of her... rarer items. You also see a bucket of viscous gloop and old Mother Magpie.
Also in the room: Peddler Dolan.
Obvious exits: out.
>get pouch from my haver
You get a fuzzy gem pouch embroidered with an orange-striped tabby cat from inside your leather haversack.
>
Dolan smiles ru
>ask mag to app my pouch
You ask Magpie to appraise a fuzzy gem pouch embroidered with an orange-striped tabby cat.
Magpie examines the contents of the gem pouch carefully, holding it up to the light and muttering to herself, then whispers in a hoarse voice, "I'll pay 16515 Lirums fer it."
"However, I only buy in bulk from traders."
>
Dolan babbles incoherently.
>give dolan
grin dola
You offer your gem pouch to Dolan, who has 30 seconds to accept the offer. Type CANCEL to prematurely cancel the offer.
>You grin at Dolan.
>
Dolan has accepted your offer and is now holding a fuzzy gem pouch embroidered with an orange-striped tabby cat.
>
Dolan asks Magpie to appraise a fuzzy gem pouch embroidered with an orange-striped tabby cat.
Magpie examines the contents of the gem pouch carefully, holding it up to the light and muttering to herself, then says something to Dolan.
>
Dolan whispers, "19068"
>nod dolan
You nod to Dolan.
>
Dolan asks Magpie to buy a fuzzy gem pouch embroidered with an orange-striped tabby cat.
Magpie examines the contents of the gem pouch carefully, then hands Dolan some coins.
>get pouch from my haver
You get an indigo gem pouch from inside your leather haversack.
>
Dolan offers you a tip of 19068 Lirums. Type ACCEPT TIP, to accept it or DECLINE TIP to refuse it.
>acc tip
You accept Dolan's tip and slip it away.
give dolan
>Dolan offers you a fuzzy gem pouch embroidered with an orange-striped tabby cat. Enter ACCEPT to accept the offer or DECLINE to decline it. The offer will expire in 30 seconds.
>
You offer your indigo gem pouch to Dolan, who has 30 seconds to accept the offer. Type CANCEL to prematurely cancel the offer.
>acc
You accept Dolan's offer and are now holding a fuzzy gem pouch embroidered with an orange-striped tabby cat.
>
Dolan has accepted your offer and is now holding an indigo gem pouch.
>put pouch in my cloak
>
Dolan asks Magpie to appraise an indigo gem pouch.
Magpie examines the contents of the indigo gem pouch carefully, holding it up to the light and muttering to herself, then says something to Dolan.
>
You put your pouch in your hooded cloak.
>get pouch from my haver
You get an indigo gem pouch from inside your leather haversack.
>ask mag to app my pouch
You ask Magpie to appraise an indigo gem pouch.
Magpie examines the contents of the indigo gem pouch carefully, holding it up to the light and muttering to herself, then whispers in a hoarse voice, "I'll pay 14253 Lirums fer it."
"However, I only buy in bulk from traders."
>
Dolan whispers, "13837"
>nod dolan
You nod to Dolan.
>
Dolan asks Magpie to buy an indigo gem pouch.
Magpie examines the contents of the indigo gem pouch carefully, then hands Dolan some coins.
>
Dolan offers you a tip of 13837 Lirums. Type ACCEPT TIP, to accept it or DECLINE TIP to refuse it.
>acc tip
You accept Dolan's tip and slip it away.
>give dolan
You offer your indigo gem pouch to Dolan, who has 30 seconds to accept the offer. Type CANCEL to prematurely cancel the offer.
>
Dolan offers you an indigo gem pouch. Enter ACCEPT to accept the offer or DECLINE to decline it. The offer will expire in 30 seconds.
>acc
You accept Dolan's offer and are now holding an indigo gem pouch.
>
Dolan has accepted your offer and is now holding an indigo gem pouch.
>put pouch in buck
You drop an indigo gem pouch in a bucket of viscous gloop.
>l in my cloak
>
In the hooded cloak you see a gem pouch, a card collector's case, an indigo gem pouch and a black gem pouch.
>
Dolan asks Magpie to appraise an indigo gem pouch.
Magpie examines the contents of the indigo gem pouch carefully, holding it up to the light and muttering to herself, then says something to Dolan.
>
* Mender Shantlar Wrightbringer joins the adventure.
>
Dolan whispers, "13850"
>nod dolan
You nod to Dolan.
>
Dolan asks Magpie to buy an indigo gem pouch.
Magpie examines the contents of the indigo gem pouch carefully, then hands Dolan some coins.
>
* Etaria was just struck down!
>
Dolan offers you a tip of 13850 Lirums. Type ACCEPT TIP, to accept it or DECLINE TIP to refuse it.
>acc tip
>
You accept Dolan's tip and slip it away.
>
Dolan offers you an indigo gem pouch. Enter ACCEPT to accept the offer or DECLINE to decline it. The offer will expire in 30 seconds.
>acc
You accept Dolan's offer and are now holding an indigo gem pouch.
>put pouch in bucket
You drop an indigo gem pouch in a bucket of viscous gloop.
>Say /quietl Thank you kindly.
You quietly say, "Thank you kindly."
>curt dolan deep
>
You sink down in a deep curtsy before Dolan, your lashes lowered.
>wealth
You have:
1 bronze, and 11 copper Kronars.
3 platinum, 15 gold, 16 silver, 14 bronze, and 15 copper Lirums.
>
Dolan says, "very welcome"
>
Dolan bows to you.
>out
********End log****
Now I don't understand how the first time he could be so much over, then the third time under. While I admit I should have and didn't double check with the second pouch, I find that odd. Is there a reason behind this or was I just skimmed?
<<Now I don't understand how the first time he could be so much over, then the third time under. While I admit I should have and didn't double check with the second pouch, I find that odd. Is there a reason behind this or was I just skimmed?>>
I know it's uncomfortable sometimes to ask why a trader is offering under what you were offered from the gem merchant, but this is your right. I know sometimes there is a variable but this does seem like a big difference. Sometimes, the trader will just respond that he or she is young. I was under appraisal sometimes when I was a younger trader and it never bothered me if a customer preferred to sell with someone else. Why the trader could be that much higher and that much lower later? I honestly don't know. Next time, just ask or politely say, "No thank you" if there is that much of a difference.
~Crimsonday
I know it's uncomfortable sometimes to ask why a trader is offering under what you were offered from the gem merchant, but this is your right. I know sometimes there is a variable but this does seem like a big difference. Sometimes, the trader will just respond that he or she is young. I was under appraisal sometimes when I was a younger trader and it never bothered me if a customer preferred to sell with someone else. Why the trader could be that much higher and that much lower later? I honestly don't know. Next time, just ask or politely say, "No thank you" if there is that much of a difference.
~Crimsonday
I'll save Apu from having to explain yet again.
http://www.play.net/forums/messages.asp?forum=20&category=22&topic=5&message=651
http://www.play.net/forums/messages.asp?forum=20&category=22&topic=5&message=651
As strange as it may seem, those numbers you listed actually ARE well within the extreme limits possible due to pure randomness. By no means am I going to tell you that Dolan did not skim money from your pouches, because I don't know, but it's not really possible to deduce anything from those 2 data points alone.
Those numbers for the 1st pouch would be possible if Dolan's bonus was anywhere from -6% to 37% (although we can't actually have a bonus less than 0%)
Those numbers for the 2nd pouch would be possible if his bonus was anywhere from -23% to 17%.
So really all I can tell you for sure is that either Dolan's bonus is less than 17% or he skimmed money. One other thing is that it would be alot easier to tell if you were skimmed if you also knew the base appraisal value of the pouch (by appraising it yourself, if your appraisal skill is high enough to get it correct every time). For example, it's difficult to say anything for sure because even when you are offered 14253 lirums on the 3rd pouch, the appraisal value could conceivably be as low as 12957. So if it really was that low, Dolan actually got you a little increase - just not as good as the increase you were offered because you got the best value you could have.
Apu
Those numbers for the 1st pouch would be possible if Dolan's bonus was anywhere from -6% to 37% (although we can't actually have a bonus less than 0%)
Those numbers for the 2nd pouch would be possible if his bonus was anywhere from -23% to 17%.
So really all I can tell you for sure is that either Dolan's bonus is less than 17% or he skimmed money. One other thing is that it would be alot easier to tell if you were skimmed if you also knew the base appraisal value of the pouch (by appraising it yourself, if your appraisal skill is high enough to get it correct every time). For example, it's difficult to say anything for sure because even when you are offered 14253 lirums on the 3rd pouch, the appraisal value could conceivably be as low as 12957. So if it really was that low, Dolan actually got you a little increase - just not as good as the increase you were offered because you got the best value you could have.
Apu
>I'll save Apu from having to explain yet again.
Doh, too late :)
Well hopefully what I just posted explains a little bit more, since I think part of what promted the original was not just "is it possible for a Trader to get offered less?", but "is it possible for a Trader to be high enough level to get the large bonus shown on the 1st pouch, and still get offered less on the 3rd pouch?". It actually turns out that it is.
Apu
Doh, too late :)
Well hopefully what I just posted explains a little bit more, since I think part of what promted the original was not just "is it possible for a Trader to get offered less?", but "is it possible for a Trader to be high enough level to get the large bonus shown on the 1st pouch, and still get offered less on the 3rd pouch?". It actually turns out that it is.
Apu
