A great many Warrior Mages allready take on apprentinces, as do members of other guilds, without a code requirement that they do so. In my experience, such requirements are the best way to have an even worse-off newbie population. Power-circlers, sunday gamers, and people with the maturity level of a four-month-old iguana do the absolut minimum for the code to recognize this status and then virtually abandon the student.

Eventually you get into 'slave' apprentinces created for the purpose of leveling a mage who needs on, and other issues. People with the time, energy, and knowledge to make good teachers get fed up with the system and abandon it after a taking a couple of students who now expect their master to ignore them once the base requirements are met.

It just rarely works, I haven't seen it work yet. Even in really serious MU* environments you run into huge problems with people who can't make time commitments.

-Robert

Blech.

>>Watching that one gal turned my stomach.

We need names.

-Frogspawn

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Dragonrealms: It's like a cult, only more expensive.

<<Now my argument: When I was young, I had a REALLY hard time figuring things out, and for that, feel as if I am not what I could be, skill wise.>>

I'll fully agree with that as well, when I was young I didn't know anything, and it's taken me forever to figure out what I have, and I sure still don't know everything. But isn't that part of the fun of the game?, If I was just handed all the answers, DR would loose alot of it's luster to me, I play because there are challenges and things to figure out.

Beliel

we have the mentors society in the crossing that can help any youngun with a question they may have. most of the mages that are old enough and wise enough to actually take on an apprentice dont even live in the crossing where the young mages would need them.


Deloria.....Rissan War Witch

Ok, lemme reword this a bit -- this is an idea proposed to help younger mages learn their place in the realms, in our guild, it would not be a guild requirement, it would be a recommendation. Please remember all, this is an open discussion, feedback is a good thing, there have been many ideas taken into consideration, such as raising the age of the teacher to 25, as at that age, they are no longer wet behind the ears. We would like to make it official so that rewards could be given to the teacher for their time, and for their knowledge. This is just a think tank idea right now, however, we are starting a petition of those interested, signing the peition does not mean that you would enroll in teh program, it means that you would be willing to support it and discuss it further. and again, I stress, it would not be a requirement, but in order to recieve the rewards, you would need to be enrolled in the program.
Overview: Cirle 20-25 :: no more than 2 apprentices under circle 10 :: teaching, scholarship and time rewards :: Benefitting the younger generation as well as bringing honor to the guild. a mage can be a master at 40th, apprenticeship begins before 10th, lasts untill 25 or test, at 15 apprentice becomes journeyperson, after 20 apprentice can take a test to prove him or herself." And all would be overseen by a committee.
-Zalinyar

<<We would like to make it official so that rewards could be given to the teacher for their time, and for their knowledge. This is just a think tank idea right now, however, we are starting a petition ... >>

Two questions. First, who is "we" and second, why take voluntary actions of human kindness and introduce a bureaucracy? You know, virtue is its own reward and all that? The reward for mentoring a novice is gaining a new friend, I'd rather have that than a gold star for my forehead given by some governing board.

Gizella

Ok, first answer "We" is myself and a few others, listed on our petition of intrest, which "We" intend to present to Gauthus. Second answer -- to give our guild a more diverse unity than it has ever seen before. We all know the history of our guild is somewhat shaded, and the elders passing along their knowledge would present a new outlook for new warmies. True, the reward for mentoring, gaining a new friend is unlike anyother, and as long as the mentor does not abuse his/her strenght, ie. getting a big head, and is willing to commit to self sacrifice, and is not doing it for any reason other than passing on their knowledge, what would be wrong with setting up a reward system, encouraging it? Even self gratification deserves a little recognition. If it works well for our guild, it could be possibly encorperated to realm wide. People who get more gratification from the game from the start -- let's say "Joe Schmuckernelly" takes a trial run in DR. after the month is up he quits, because he was "dazed and confused" because he had no idea what he was supposed to do. If he had a personal mentor, he would have known, fell in love with the realms,(like the rest of us here) and subscribed. Ie- making SIMU more money, allowing them to pay the gm's more, or hire more gm's, which inturn allows us more benefits in the long run. Everyone wins.

<<I think it'd be cool if some more benefits could be thought up of. Something to really hammer home the student -> teacher aspect of the system

Chores. Apprentices need lots of chores to do. Give each master a really really dirty tower/fortress with self-messing dishes, self-dirtying floors and other menial tasks to have his apprentice slave over while he sips a cool beverage and targets hummingbirds from the comfort of his hammock under the shade tree.

>>That being said, Apprenticeship on the whole is a neat idea. The thing that could really be further brainstormed on is -- what benefits could apprenticeship have? I mean, its really easy to create a nominal apprenticeship system and just let people RP out how they want to do it. I think it'd be cool if some more benefits could be thought up of. Something to really hammer home the student -> teacher aspect of the system :).

Well, there's always the obvious one:

Give the system-acknowledged Master/Apprentice pair a bonus to Teaching (Master)/Scholarship (Apprentice) when the Master is teaching a skill to his apprentice.

The main problem with anything like this is making sure that any bonus is not abused. It is not very expensive for someone with a steady income to have a secondary, basic, account to hold a "slave" apprentice (or series of apprentices) on.

~Kyn

<<Except for the gnome apprentices: the gnome apprentices I will put in a burlap sack and throw into the Selgotha.

-Frogspawn
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Like I said before...I'd rather become a barbarian than be Frogspawns apprentice...I just dont look right in burlap.


Skazar