Gem Boosts on 07/20/2013 01:13 AM CDT
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So I realize this is anecdotal, but I wonder if I'm unique.

I'll have a bounty for Emeralds. I go for a hunt and will literally clear learnable creatures for an hour and not find any emeralds. I'll log out for some reason, come back, and find all of them on the first 25 critters and two in a box I pull.

Sometimes I think the trigger for increased drops doesn't turn on. It seems completely random, but is definitely noticeable. I sometimes will hunt a few critters, realize it's "off" and log off and back on until they start dropping.

Anyone else?

Best,
Jim/Tk
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Re: Gem Boosts on 07/20/2013 01:58 AM CDT
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Similar experiences here. It's very hit or miss, but you can usually tell pretty quick if it's "working" or not. It seems--and this is just based on observations from my own experience--that gem drops often have an "expected" area for you to hunt, much like other task. Sometimes if I go to the last area I was sent to by the guild, they'll start dropping like crazy. It also seems--again, pure conjecture--that the guild knows what I've been hunting lately, and tries to assign me tasks in that area. Maybe it's completely coincidental, so take this with a grain of salt. But it's something to try, next time you find gems just aren't dropping.

~ Heathyr and friends
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Re: Gem Boosts on 07/20/2013 07:15 AM CDT
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The boost turns diamonds into emeralds. It doesn't turn black jasper into emeralds. If you have a task for emeralds and you hunt a critter giving cheap treasure, you'll never see any emeralds (or diamonds or any other gem of that value). If you hunt a rich critter, you will get emeralds, but no diamonds until you have had enough emeralds for your bounty because every gem of the same value as an emerald gets turned into an emerald.

If you hunt a critter that isn't quite rich enough to drop emeralds, you'll never get one. If you log off and no one hunts them for a while they get richer and when you log back in again you get emeralds.

Silvers in boxes give a pretty good guide to the treasure tier of the critter they came from. If you aren't getting emeralds but the boxes are heavy, you are just having an unlucky run on the gem drops. If the boxes aren't heavy, the critters are too poor to have emeralds. Rich critters have high gem chances, so you will tend to find emeralds fast, provided you are hunting rich critters.

I think the way the gem is selected by the AG is by picking a critter in your range and rolling the next gem that critter would drop. This means there is likely to be a critter that drops them at a decent rate, but you could be unlucky and be at the extreme end of the range and its only dropped by one critter and not very often at that. If there is a gem that drops like crazy in your hunting area, that is the gem you are most likely to get tasked for.
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Re: Gem Boosts on 07/22/2013 01:49 PM CDT
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Yeah its anecdotal I know, but I dropped 2 gem tasks back to back in Plat a couple days ago. They were for low level gems, one was a clear topaz I remember. I tried hunting different areas all within a level or 2 of me but I couldn't get any to drop. It also felt like something hadn't been turned "on". Odd.
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Re: Gem Boosts on 07/22/2013 03:23 PM CDT
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>>Yeah its anecdotal I know, but I dropped 2 gem tasks back to back in Plat a couple days ago. They were for low level gems, one was a clear topaz I remember. I tried hunting different areas all within a level or 2 of me but I couldn't get any to drop. It also felt like something hadn't been turned "on". Odd.

Seems to me that it's sometimes hardest to find the cheapest gems (some topaz and zircon, or star diopside) because it requires that you find a creature that is very poor yet still rich enough to drop gems at a decent rate.

I've also experienced that sense that the gem switch just isn't on. It's frustrating to have a seemingly reasonable gem task and see other gems of a similar value drop left and right. But considering how little we can glean of the system, it's impossible to tell whether that's anything but simple bad luck.

Thank the Arkati for jars.
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Re: Gem Boosts on 07/22/2013 07:48 PM CDT
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Within the last year or so, they implemented a feature where a random cheap gem will generate in a box. I think these also operate according to the gem boost. So if you're hunting a rich creature that drops boxes, it may still be worth it to keep cheap gem bounties.
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Re: Gem Boosts on 07/23/2013 02:53 PM CDT
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The low-level gems were specifically put in for alchemy - some recipes called for gems that were so low that they never dropped (I think one specific one was a kind of fang in the rift). So the bonus gem is always from the lowest tiers, just in case the treasure quality isn't pushed down enough in that area to drop them normally.

I don't know if they are affected by the bounty gem bonus thingie.
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Re: Gem Boosts on 07/24/2013 09:02 AM CDT
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Ahh, well I guess in Plat the low level gem bounties will almost always be a problem. Good to know!
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Re: Gem Boosts on 07/26/2013 11:39 AM CDT
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I realize completely how the drops work, I'm speaking of an area that would normally drop them, doesn't, log off back in, same area, starts dropping immediately.

It seems like sometimes the increase drop rate is "on" sometimes and "off" sometimes.

Looks like I'm not alone!

Best,
Jim
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Re: Gem Boosts on 07/30/2013 12:05 PM CDT
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I'd like to back up, at least a little, what Jim is saying.

I took my cleric out to night mares to find green sapphires - a fairly common gem - I dispatched at least 15, finding one gem: a golden topaz.

I logged out, logged right back in, and found a green sapphire on the next two I killed (I only need two more as I had the others already).

Anecdotal information to be sure; and possibly a coincidence. I will definitely be testing it out when I get gem tasks from now one.
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Re: Gem Boosts on 07/30/2013 01:15 PM CDT
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Were you the only one in the area you were hunting? When you logged out, it may have unloaded the area.
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Re: Gem Boosts on 07/30/2013 01:45 PM CDT
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I was the only person there when I arrived, when I logged out, and when I ultimately left. Probably a third of the night mares I killed arrived with the standard gen messaging for them as opposed to me stumbling across. I'm certainly not a creature gen expert, however, so I can't speak to anything further than that.
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Re: Gem Boosts on 07/30/2013 07:01 PM CDT
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Green sapphire is a "rare" gem. With a bounty active on them every "rare" gem drop that would have been something else will be turned into a green sapphire until its happened enough times to get your bounty.
Golden topaz is "uncommon". A bounty active on green sapphires makes no change at all to the frequency of "uncommon" gem drops.

"uncommon" is one tier cheaper than "rare". Both are likely to be possible from the same critter.

You need other gems from the same tier as the bounty gem to tell that the boost isn't working. e.g. if you got a green starstone or a violet sapphire while you had a green sapphire bounty, that would show the boost wasn't working.
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Re: Gem Boosts on 07/30/2013 10:08 PM CDT
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I sure do have a ton of green sapphires for it to be "rare"!

In any case, I just found it interesting that exactly what Jim described happened. It was certainly queer to find them immediately after logging back in.
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