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I took my TWC rogue to lvl 15 and mastered GOS. Then I didn't play him for three years so I dusted him off and converted to UAC monk. He's level 20 now and I am thinking about switching him to Voln.
The reasons for the switch are:
1) crit weighting doesn't seem to matter too much for UAC
2) Can't use Monk spells (he's 1x currently) and run sigils simultaneously. He just doesn't have the mana and stamina yet. I am not fast enough on the keyboard to keep his sigils up as needed so I use isigils. I think that with some finesse and more experience with GOS, I could run the sigils I need as needed and save mana for 1207.
3) He can't solo camp because he has no mass disabling abilities, can't reliably stun, can't hide, and it takes so long to dispatch one critter the rest of the room has gobs of time to beat him up. I also am not proficient enough in managing the AIMing, Critter Targeting and just typing that it takes for him to disable/put in rt multiple foes. Against up to 3 critters and I can punch one, jab 2, kick 3 or whatever it takes to to keep them off balance but in a camp there a more than 3 at a time and they walk away as I'm setting them up. Also, as 1x spells to lvl 20, have no ranks of MOC which would help eventually.
Now that I've got the 1220 I'll focus on lores, PT and other skills so he should start to bulk up and get tougher skin.
Voln seems like it's a great society for a UAC monk except for warding all those undead spells. The CvA and TD are keeping me from making the switch. I also don't know how he will be at lvl 40, 60, 80 or 100. Maybe he'll just grow into it as his stamina and mana go up.
What do you guys think?
0-51 I haven't met an undead caster that can't be dealt with at like level. Quite a few were extremely dangerous if I gave them a few levels on me though. I am confident that remains the case until capped hunting grounds but don't know them well enough to predict how it would work there.
Non-corp undead casters are worse off against Voln targets, than grim casters are against GoS targets, because when hit by disruption they take -26 to their CS. -26 CS +13 TD is a combination thats hard to beat from other societies powers.
For aiming I normally just have two attacks. Punch left leg and punch head, plus punch right arm in some situations too. I always aim in the attack command, either by macro or typing it out, setting an aim gets me into trouble. I use the up arrow macro to recall the one I want from the command buffer so an aimed attack is normally two or three keystrokes. For target switching I use the SF menu, normally two mouse clicks to switch target. For unaimed attacks I use the SF buttons. One mouse click. In busy rooms, the SF target menu is buggy but solo or with a partner against 2-4 critters its fast and effective.
5 ranks of lore to get you scale Ironskin now rather than level 30, is not a bad investment. Beyond that, you are much better off putting the points into harness, so you can use your spells and society abilities to stop yourself getting hit, or dodge so that you have a high DS even when stance forced and prone, or MOC so that you still keep that high DS even when a swarm is swinging at you or MnS for more self cast DS and TD. Once you get another 10-15 levels you'll be starting to wonder whether you'd be better to untrain any lore you have rather than get more. You are probably short on CMan at the moment too. Nothing quite like a couple ranks krynch backed up with full punch mastery for turning an accumulating swarm into a row of skittles.
Non-corp undead casters are worse off against Voln targets, than grim casters are against GoS targets, because when hit by disruption they take -26 to their CS. -26 CS +13 TD is a combination thats hard to beat from other societies powers.
For aiming I normally just have two attacks. Punch left leg and punch head, plus punch right arm in some situations too. I always aim in the attack command, either by macro or typing it out, setting an aim gets me into trouble. I use the up arrow macro to recall the one I want from the command buffer so an aimed attack is normally two or three keystrokes. For target switching I use the SF menu, normally two mouse clicks to switch target. For unaimed attacks I use the SF buttons. One mouse click. In busy rooms, the SF target menu is buggy but solo or with a partner against 2-4 critters its fast and effective.
5 ranks of lore to get you scale Ironskin now rather than level 30, is not a bad investment. Beyond that, you are much better off putting the points into harness, so you can use your spells and society abilities to stop yourself getting hit, or dodge so that you have a high DS even when stance forced and prone, or MOC so that you still keep that high DS even when a swarm is swinging at you or MnS for more self cast DS and TD. Once you get another 10-15 levels you'll be starting to wonder whether you'd be better to untrain any lore you have rather than get more. You are probably short on CMan at the moment too. Nothing quite like a couple ranks krynch backed up with full punch mastery for turning an accumulating swarm into a row of skittles.
This is where he's at in his training now at lvl 20. Since I set his stats for cap I'm going for 5 ranks Perfectself before getting other cmans. I have him schedule to get 4 ranks transformation at 21, 1 rank at 22 and 4 ranks cman. I haven't figured it out beyond that.
I had thought of going with transformation for as much 1202 asg's as possible. Is that too much? Do most monks rely on blink, brace and our other spells instead of spending the tp's on pumping up the transformation?
Two Weapon Combat..................| 54 11
Combat Maneuvers...................| 120 30
Brawling...........................| 144 44
Physical Fitness...................| 96 22
Dodging............................| 144 44
Harness Power......................| 90 20
Climbing...........................| 50 10
Swimming...........................| 50 10
Spell Lists
Minor Mental.......................| 20
(Use SKILLS BASE to display unmodified ranks and goals)
Spell Ranks:
Minor Mental :20
Stats: Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 72 (11) ... 76 (13)
Constitution (CON): 79 (14) ... 83 (16)
Dexterity (DEX): 72 (16) ... 76 (18)
Agility (AGL): 57 (18) ... 61 (20)
Discipline (DIS): 79 (-1) ... 83 (1)
Aura (AUR): 79 (19) ... 83 (21)
Logic (LOG): 79 (14) ... 83 (16)
Intuition (INT): 75 (12) ... 79 (14)
Wisdom (WIS): 74 (12) ... 78 (14)
Influence (INF): 73 (21) ... 77 (23)
I had thought of going with transformation for as much 1202 asg's as possible. Is that too much? Do most monks rely on blink, brace and our other spells instead of spending the tp's on pumping up the transformation?
Two Weapon Combat..................| 54 11
Combat Maneuvers...................| 120 30
Brawling...........................| 144 44
Physical Fitness...................| 96 22
Dodging............................| 144 44
Harness Power......................| 90 20
Climbing...........................| 50 10
Swimming...........................| 50 10
Spell Lists
Minor Mental.......................| 20
(Use SKILLS BASE to display unmodified ranks and goals)
Spell Ranks:
Minor Mental :20
Stats: Normal (Bonus) ... Enhanced (Bonus)
Strength (STR): 72 (11) ... 76 (13)
Constitution (CON): 79 (14) ... 83 (16)
Dexterity (DEX): 72 (16) ... 76 (18)
Agility (AGL): 57 (18) ... 61 (20)
Discipline (DIS): 79 (-1) ... 83 (1)
Aura (AUR): 79 (19) ... 83 (21)
Logic (LOG): 79 (14) ... 83 (16)
Intuition (INT): 75 (12) ... 79 (14)
Wisdom (WIS): 74 (12) ... 78 (14)
Influence (INF): 73 (21) ... 77 (23)
I haven't bothered to get any transformation yet (level 33), but it is one of those things where IMO you'd only want to have ranks that were benefiting you. So 5,15,30,50,75 and let it lag inbetween those thresholds. I know transformation lore also helps with 1209/1214 and CMan InternalPower, but the ironskin bonus would be my inspiration to train in the skill with the other benefits being icing.
Lochiven
The things I think you will benefit most from are 3x dodge and punch mastery. If suffering from lack of stamina, then 2x PF. Feint, krynch and enough ranks of ambush to aim reliably, open up tactical options I wouldn't like to be without.
You'll want access to TD boosting spells via AS and MIU at some point, but its another 10 or 20 levels before you'll really start to feel the need for them. MOC for FoF reduction will become more worthwhile as you level up. The more dodge ranks you have, the more its worth keeping the DS they give you when dealing with a couple of opponents at a time.
You'll want access to TD boosting spells via AS and MIU at some point, but its another 10 or 20 levels before you'll really start to feel the need for them. MOC for FoF reduction will become more worthwhile as you level up. The more dodge ranks you have, the more its worth keeping the DS they give you when dealing with a couple of opponents at a time.
I think I'll get him to 5 ranks lore at lvl 23 for the +1 then hold off on the lores and keep punching up the PT, dodge and cmans for 10-15 lvls.
From what I can see with 1202, I will probably never go all the way unless there is a CvA advantage added. So for now I'll stick with enough lore to get into the next asg and then let his skin get tougher through level advancement.
From what I can see with 1202, I will probably never go all the way unless there is a CvA advantage added. So for now I'll stick with enough lore to get into the next asg and then let his skin get tougher through level advancement.
>On the other hand, see my posts about how feeble monks are compared to ambushing rogues. They need some serious improvement.
It sounds more like your tactics and training need some serious improvement. Giants are monk cake. If you are having trouble outhunting a melee rogue in frosties as a UAC monk, you are doing it wrong.
It sounds more like your tactics and training need some serious improvement. Giants are monk cake. If you are having trouble outhunting a melee rogue in frosties as a UAC monk, you are doing it wrong.
<<<It sounds more like your tactics and training need some serious improvement. Giants are monk cake. If you are having trouble outhunting a melee rogue in frosties as a UAC monk, you are doing it wrong. >>>
Instead of simply stating "you're doing it wrong" would you be willing to share some advice on monk tactics and training? This is a pretty new field, it would be great to get some insight from someone who's been doing it a while. Thanks!
~ Heathyr and friends
Instead of simply stating "you're doing it wrong" would you be willing to share some advice on monk tactics and training? This is a pretty new field, it would be great to get some insight from someone who's been doing it a while. Thanks!
~ Heathyr and friends
>It sounds more like your tactics and training need some serious improvement. Giants are monk cake. If you are having trouble outhunting a melee rogue in frosties as a UAC monk, you are doing it wrong.
What Heatherhaze said. I've seen you say something along these lines a couple of times but not once have you actually given any concise information. So please indulge us.
What Heatherhaze said. I've seen you say something along these lines a couple of times but not once have you actually given any concise information. So please indulge us.
