Is This Right? on 07/17/2006 04:43 PM CDT
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Been using my 5x vultite naginata for a while now, but today I went and dug out an old 0x naginata I've had sitting in my locker for a while.

So I inspected it, and saw this...

R>inspect my nagi
You carefully inspect your dark naginata.

After a careful inspection you determine that a dark naginata requires skill in polearms to use effectively.

It looks like this item has been mainly crafted out of wood.
Roundtime: 5 sec.

Are standard naginata supposed to have wood as a base material? Doesn't seem right.

Took it to a weapon shop in case it was a conversion issue, but it read as having already been converted to new-style.

Used it in a fight, and it worked like a 0x weapon (25 less AS than my 5x one), despite the -20 the wood base is supposed to give. Wood and unenchanted should've been 45 less than 5x, yes?

Anyway, seemed wierd, so I figured I'd mention it here.
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Re: Is This Right? on 07/17/2006 07:37 PM CDT
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>>It looks like this item has been mainly crafted out of wood.<<

I suspect this is referring to the shaft (pole) of the naginata, which would in this case be made of wood. Since the metal blade would mass less than the wooden body of the weapon, it will register as being made mainly of wood. The key word here being "mainly".
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Re: Is This Right? on 07/17/2006 07:42 PM CDT
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>I suspect this is referring to the shaft (pole) of the naginata, which would in this case be made of wood. Since the metal blade would mass less than the wooden body of the weapon, it will register as being made mainly of wood. The key word here being "mainly".

That would make it unique amongst polearms, and indeed unique amongst naginata... My steel bladed polearms read as steel, imflass as imflass, and my vultite naginata correctly reads as being made mainly of vultite - the metal that determines their properties as a weapon, not their handle/shaft materials.
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Re: Is This Right? on 07/17/2006 07:45 PM CDT
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This is searching my memory...

In GS the original Nagintas were made out of wood, you couldnt get magic metal nagintas, and the naginta has a natural +20 bonus, and could be ebladed as a result.

Obviously that may no longer be the case, but I believe it was the case some time ago.

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Re: Is This Right? on 07/17/2006 07:47 PM CDT
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Since an ebladed naginta was essentially a +40 flaring weapon it was kinda unique in that regards, but I dont believe it had all that great of a DF at the time, which is why it wasnt used all that much.

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Re: Is This Right? on 07/17/2006 07:58 PM CDT
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>>>>I suspect this is referring to the shaft (pole) of the naginata, which would in this case be made of wood. Since the metal blade would mass less than the wooden body of the weapon, it will register as being made mainly of wood. The key word here being "mainly".

>>That would make it unique amongst polearms, and indeed unique amongst naginata... My steel bladed polearms read as steel, imflass as imflass, and my vultite naginata correctly reads as being made mainly of vultite - the metal that determines their properties as a weapon, not their handle/shaft materials.

Yes, provided that "it" means "any Tykel naginata." Given that the relevant material is the blade, not the pole, I agree that it ought to be steel.
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Re: Is This Right? on 07/17/2006 08:07 PM CDT
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>>That would make it unique amongst polearms, and indeed unique amongst naginata... My steel bladed polearms read as steel, imflass as imflass, and my vultite naginata correctly reads as being made mainly of vultite - the metal that determines their properties as a weapon, not their handle/shaft materials.

>Yes, provided that "it" means "any Tykel naginata."

Yes, the wooden naginata in question is a Tykel one. So they're all wooden then, even the ones bought since the naginata changes?

>Given that the relevant material is the blade, not the pole, I agree that it ought to be steel.

I agree.
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Re: Is This Right? on 07/17/2006 08:11 PM CDT
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>>Yes, the wooden naginata in question is a Tykel one. So they're all wooden then, even the ones bought since the naginata changes?

Yep. Both that I bought around a week or two ago are wood (and can be seen here: http://www.playershops.com/plat/item_detail.pl?item=a%20mottled%20black%20naginata)
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Re: Is This Right? on 07/17/2006 08:19 PM CDT
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>Yep. Both that I bought around a week or two ago are wood (and can be seen here: http://www.playershops.com/plat/item_detail.pl?item=a%20mottled%20black%20naginata)

Very strange. So Tykel's naginata do still get an inherent +20, but they're given a -20 material, wood, to bring them to 0.

That's odd. One would think they'd just be made steel, with the new naginata base stats.
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Re: Is This Right? on 07/17/2006 08:28 PM CDT
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>Very strange. So Tykel's naginata do still get an inherent +20, but they're given a -20 material, wood, to bring them to 0.

Check the AvD of them vs the steel?

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Re: Is This Right? on 07/17/2006 08:57 PM CDT
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>>Very strange. So Tykel's naginata do still get an inherent +20, but they're given a -20 material, wood, to bring them to 0.

>Check the AvD of them vs the steel?

AvDs were the same as my vultite one, though I didn't test against the full range, just a couple different types.
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Re: Is This Right? on 07/17/2006 08:59 PM CDT
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I should specify that, yes, the AvDs are in the newstyle naginata range, i.e. 20 higher than equivalent halberd AvDs.

Also, the conversion doohickey in the weapon shop confirmed it as a newstyle naginata.
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Re: Is This Right? on 07/17/2006 08:59 PM CDT
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>AvDs were the same as my vultite one, though I didn't test against the full range, just a couple different types.

Should be all you needed to check was against one.

That is odd, I thought I remembered Nagintas having their unique parts of them taken away some time ago but I cant remember to be sure as I was never really all that interested in them. But if that is the case then those weapons really should be shifted to a metal base when shifted to the new system, and the new ones sold should now be metal I believe. Obviously without the natural +20.

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The Ashrim
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Re: Is This Right? on 07/17/2006 09:00 PM CDT
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>I should specify that, yes, the AvDs are in the newstyle naginata range, i.e. 20 higher than equivalent halberd AvDs.

Ahh ok, then the solution I posted in the previous post should still apply.

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Re: Is This Right? on 07/17/2006 09:01 PM CDT
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>That is odd, I thought I remembered Nagintas having their unique parts of them taken away some time ago but I cant remember to be sure as I was never really all that interested in them. But if that is the case then those weapons really should be shifted to a metal base when shifted to the new system, and the new ones sold should now be metal I believe. Obviously without the natural +20.

My thoughts exactly. It's why I thought it was odd enough to post about here.
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