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First, congrats Rath...awesome job.
Second, why does everyone need to wait for the plat monk to hit 40? Our instances are independent of each other for every single aspect of the game so this should be no different. Once monks were first released, I did an in game assist and was told "when the first monk hits 40", not "when one monk hits 40 in all three instances" so I assume it was changed along the way. Any reason for that?
I know a few people that came back to the game just to check out the UAC and monks, and for those of us who don't have premie accounts and don't want to reroll, I'm thinking it will leave a bad taste in the mouth and many will walk away again if we have to wait another 6-7 months for something to happen in an instance of the game that has nothing to do with us.
Thanks for reading the rant. Now...
Let them eat monks!
Personally, I play Plat...and even I disagree with requiring a level 40 Plat monk for conversions.
Quite simply, there are far too few people playing plat to base conversions on "when someone in plat hits 40".
The Plat requirement should have been lowered to 30 or so...to make it more balanced when considering Number of People Playing vs. Levels.
Quite simply, there are far too few people playing plat to base conversions on "when someone in plat hits 40".
The Plat requirement should have been lowered to 30 or so...to make it more balanced when considering Number of People Playing vs. Levels.
I have to agree with both of you. I have played off and on over the last 25 years, 8 years of which was solid, but when I found out the release of monks was getting ready to happen I came back full time. Ive done all the hunting from level 1-40 already and I might add several times, now I just want to take my level 45 and convert him over in prime, but this waiting on another instance of gemstone for conversion to happen is kind of rediculous. I mean what does platinum have to do with prime anyway. I just want to convert and think we shouldn't have to wait another 3-6 months for this to happen. I have said my piece.
So why have the level 40 requirement at all, if its not immediate? The level 40 requirement seems unimportant if the changes do not happen when the event that is supposed to trigger it happens.
Also I have to agree, why does it have to be across all platforms? Allow conversion in the platforms that meet the requirements, or just release them in all platforms now since 2 of the three already have reached the required level and when compared to the lower number of players in Plat, this could take many more months if not a year for this to even take place. A lot of players returned specifically for monks and in many cases planning to convert existing characters to the new profession. Seems like a big risk to delay it even further, if some leave they may not return. I do not think anyone, player or staff wants to see any less players in the lands. So why not just move forward with the conversions?
Just my opinion.
I personally believe the conversions should be based on each instance. So Shattered should of had conversions a couple of months back when our first player hit 40 following with now Prime. But to be fair across the entire board since this was not done I believe we SHOULD wait for all instances to have monks hit 40. It would be incredibly unfair for all instances to favor one over the other when it comes to conversion equality.
<<...and when compared to the lower number of players in Plat, this could take many more months if not a year for this to even take place.>>
For the record, there is a Plat monk at level 37. They've been busy with RL lately, but have said that their time will clear up after this weekend.
Gretchen
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For the record, there is a Plat monk at level 37. They've been busy with RL lately, but have said that their time will clear up after this weekend.
Gretchen
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As I recall, the notice about monks said that the conversion would be available about thirty days after the first monk hit level 40...is that not correct? I do not recall seeing anything about the conversion being available after each of the three instances hits level 40. I could almost state for certain that the notice said when the first monk in prime hit 40, but that may be from reading posts or just wishful thinking. Since this all happened just as I came back to the Lands, maybe I missed a subtle wording in the announcement...but do not believe that is the case.
Also, I also seem to remember (or maybe dreamed), that the announcement stated that a fixskills would be awarded at the same time. I may be totally off base here and may have picked it up from another post. If so, is this only for the converting characters or all?
Islerogue
They have said repeatedly that monks would be available after a monk in each instance hit 40. Not immediately after either. They should stick by their original response to conversion regardless of what may or may not happen in Platinum. They should happen a bit after a monk in each instance hits 40.
Right - I recall something saying that it would be about 30 days later. I just truly did not recall "in each instance" or perhaps understood that to mean that conversion would occur in each instance after level 40 was achieved in that instance.
Either way, I was just puttingin my two cents...I am not converting. :)
Islerogue
I reckon its unfair to those already playing monks to allow conversions of higher level characters in their instance. Maybe they might allow characters to lose experience without completely rerolling. e.g. if you want to convert a level 45 character to a monk and currently the highest level monk is level 40, then you can keep 30 levels worth of experience converting now, or you can wait for a monk to get to level 55 and keep the lot.
The Devs are quite right to wait for all 3 instances, because they should be waiting for the evidence that the profession is viable before allowing converts. They don't want one set of mechanics for monks in Plat and another set of mechanics in another instance. They set 40 as the mark for that, and it hasn't been met in Plat. Maybe they need to consider if that's because monks are just too tough to play and need to be tweaked. In my opinion playing a monk through the 10-30 range under the current mechanics is a tough challenge, and quite possibly too tough unless you have other characters always available to spell you up. The 40s however look like they will be on the easy side compared to other professions. Maybe they need to be doing something to make the middle levels harder.
The Devs should be doing a review before they allow conversions. Maybe they have enough evidence for that now. In any case they shouldn't be blindly allowing conversions until they have thought about whether they have the design right in the light of how monks have been played so far.
The Devs are quite right to wait for all 3 instances, because they should be waiting for the evidence that the profession is viable before allowing converts. They don't want one set of mechanics for monks in Plat and another set of mechanics in another instance. They set 40 as the mark for that, and it hasn't been met in Plat. Maybe they need to consider if that's because monks are just too tough to play and need to be tweaked. In my opinion playing a monk through the 10-30 range under the current mechanics is a tough challenge, and quite possibly too tough unless you have other characters always available to spell you up. The 40s however look like they will be on the easy side compared to other professions. Maybe they need to be doing something to make the middle levels harder.
The Devs should be doing a review before they allow conversions. Maybe they have enough evidence for that now. In any case they shouldn't be blindly allowing conversions until they have thought about whether they have the design right in the light of how monks have been played so far.
Hmm, I came back to gemstone and reactivated, traded my sorc for a capped 12m exp paladin so I could covert and play. Maybe it is a bad thing I have NO desire to play the lower levels in any class ever again, but that is the case. I already downgraded the premium to standard and, if this is correct, I will just close the account again and come back in 6 months when they allow it. This game is both rich and annoying at the same time. Back to GuildWars 2 :(
The Devs should be doing a review before they allow conversions. Maybe they have enough evidence for that now. In any case they shouldn't be blindly allowing conversions until they have thought about whether they have the design right in the light of how monks have been played so far.
I disagree, but then you are doing it the hard way and I just want my pie now. Let my super monk run amok in OTF or the Temple to see what end game looks like. My pie looks like this (although I think I will 3x PF after all and I am always open to suggestions)
Brawling 202 (2.0X)
Two Weapon Combat 50 (0.5X)
Combat Maneuvers 202 (2.0X)
Multi-Opponent Combat 45 (0.5X)
Ambush 101 (1.0X)
Physical Fitness 202 (2.0X)
Dodging 303 (3.0X)
Climbing 40 (0.4X)
Swimming 75 (0.8X)
Stalking and Hiding 202 (2.0X)
Perception 101 (1.0X)
Survival 50 (0.5X)
Harness Power 45 (0.5X)
Mental Mana Control 24 (0.2X)
Spell Research 55 (0.6X)
Minor Mental 25 (0.3X)
Minor Spirit 30 (0.3X)
Mental Lore 101 (1.0X)
Transformation 101 (1.0X)
STR 59 100
CON 55 95
DEX 70 100
AGL 39 100
DIS 68 100
AUR 82 100
LOG 73 100
INT 73 100
WIS 82 100
INF 59 78
Name
Burst of Swiftness, r3
Combat Focus, rank 1
Combat Mobility, rank 2
Duck and Weave, rank 3
Evade Mastery, rank 3
Grapple Mastery, r1
Internal Power, rank 5
Perfect Self, rank 5
Punch Mastery, rank 3
Rolling Krynch Strike, r3
Surge of Strength, r3
The two Monks in Shattered are doing just fine. They do get typical outside spells that everyone has access to but they hunt entirely solo. They're both -somewhat- close to capping already and can uphunt quite easily. The design appears to be working quite well. You could say because it's being scripted that its easier but one could say that it's harder because it is being scripted with limited knowledge of the class.
Either way I'm glad they are not changing their story and letting conversions until someone hits 40 in plat. Kudos for consistency.
I think the wait has been and will continue to be a good thing. Monks are the new thing, well done with tons of variety and a new way to engage in combat, it's natural everyone wants to get in on the action. But if you'll pop over to the unarmed combat or the voln thread about voln fu you'll also see that many people that might convert right away to check it out, aren't up to learning a new system. Tiering up in UAC is fun, fairly simple but it's foreign to a good many folks and for that reason alone they dislike it. The training costs for a monk really make UAC the cookie cutter approach. I intend to make a katana wielding monk at some point...but I realize I will be going mutant. I really hope anyone that really intends to convert a monk has at least dinked around to level 10-15 using the uac during all this time in addition to reading the critiques here on the boards. I can't remember how long the waiting period was for paladin conversions but a good many folks disappointed themselves by jumping right into the new.
I myself find paladins fairly awesome btw (at least once you have the tps to spend on stuff...so post 70) and don't regret my conversion but I know I spent quite some time comparing the theme of a paladin to how my cleric was already portrayed.
Lochiven
I believe this is a complete listing of the official statements on monk conversions (within the monk folder):
http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Monks/Developer%27s%20Corner%20-%20Monks/view/124
http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Monks/Developer%27s%20Corner%20-%20Monks/view/249
http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Monks/Developer%27s%20Corner%20-%20Monks/view/650
To that, I will add: We will make an announcement before conversion goes live, whatever the timing ends up being. It is not immediately imminent, as I stated in the other folder.
For those of you who are apparently waiting to convert as soon as possible, I strongly advise rolling a younger monk and experimenting thoroughly before converting a higher level character. It is a one-way process and it would be a very poor idea to convert without having some specific experience with the profession.
http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Monks/Developer%27s%20Corner%20-%20Monks/view/124
http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Monks/Developer%27s%20Corner%20-%20Monks/view/249
http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Monks/Developer%27s%20Corner%20-%20Monks/view/650
To that, I will add: We will make an announcement before conversion goes live, whatever the timing ends up being. It is not immediately imminent, as I stated in the other folder.
For those of you who are apparently waiting to convert as soon as possible, I strongly advise rolling a younger monk and experimenting thoroughly before converting a higher level character. It is a one-way process and it would be a very poor idea to convert without having some specific experience with the profession.
