Halberd, A Viable Weapon? on 10/28/2005 01:12 PM CDT
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I've been into DR for a couple years now, and I've always sticked to the plain jane edges and the occasional blunt weapon here or there to try out how they work on different critters and was wondering about halberds. Are these realistic weapons when RT vs damage is considered? What is the usual RT on these weapons? Are forged ones really that much better? If not, which would you suggest I start with if I have the money to buy one? And also, what sort of containers can hold these enormous weapons (I already keep my claymore and mace in my backpack)?




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Re: Halberd, A Viable Weapon? on 10/28/2005 01:16 PM CDT
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I have played with halberds a few times, with assorted personnas. They do deliver nice hits. I believe in skilled hands a halberd could be a devestating weapon.

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Re: Halberd, A Viable Weapon? on 10/28/2005 01:56 PM CDT
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This's just my memory and experience here, but Halberds and spears are less than stellar. For the weight, they're less effective than 2HE, HE, 2HB, and sometimes ME. Which isn't to say they're bad, just that they're not as good as those weapons.

I seem to remember that, while they're forgable, they're medium; once again, they can't be forged to beat store bought stuff in the same manner as HE etc.

And as far as buying one, you can get a short hafted halberd, one handed, melee only, the lightest store halberd, up in Theren Keep.

Or, if you have some money and high enough stats to wield the monster, there's a Locaber Axe out on Ratha, which has really impressive slice.


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Re: Halberd, A Viable Weapon? on 10/28/2005 02:01 PM CDT
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>Or, if you have some money and high enough stats to wield the monster, there's a Locaber Axe out on Ratha, which has really impressive slice.

The Lochaber is just a fun weapon. My pallie has been hauling one around since he was a novice, literally. His brother got him one from Ratha when he was first circle and he's been wearing it ever since. Not really a practical weapon at circle, even now with arm worn shields, but definately entertaining and probably one of the best store bought weapons out there, stone for stone, damage wise.
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Re: Halberd, A Viable Weapon? on 10/28/2005 02:34 PM CDT
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Yes, halberd is a viable weapon. With the short-hafted on a brand-new character, you're looking at an average 9/10 roundtime, though. Yet just after picking it up, you'll see massive, devestating, and obliterating hits even on rats.

My main character uses the Liberation Fest partisan (Hal/QS swapable) as a fourth weapon, and is absolutely loving it. Stats on the halberd side are a touch lower than the Lochaber, and they're dead even with best store-bought QS.

Once you train strength up to a significant degree, you'll be very glad you picked one up. In the meantime, you'll just be happy with it.

Now if only we could get halberds that are balanced better without sacrificing too much damage, I'd be extatic.

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Re: Halberd, A Viable Weapon? on 10/28/2005 02:41 PM CDT
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Halberd is my third weapon, above all my ranged weapons, and that's saying something for a Ranger. I'm all about the Lochabar Axe, that thing is a beast. Keep in mind that its 16ish plat lirum and weights 62 stones, but there's just something about great slice, severe impact that gets the blood going. If you are serious about starting with Halberd, the short hafted is the way to go, but once you can handle the axe get it. I'd say arm-worn shield is a must, even if you can only wear the small ones. The axe won't fit into anything I've tried (not even my old harness), so get a weapon strap.

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Re: Halberd, A Viable Weapon? on 10/28/2005 03:24 PM CDT
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So, what're we looking at to get that thing down to 5/6 rt? Knew it was big, but didn't know it was 62 stones.




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Re: Halberd, A Viable Weapon? on 10/28/2005 05:13 PM CDT
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Like Hanryu, my paladin is all about the lochaber axe. Love that damn beast of a weapon. :grin::

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Re: Halberd, A Viable Weapon? on 10/28/2005 08:07 PM CDT
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I currently have a forged halbie that has heavy slice and impact, and I get 5/6 RT and am loving it. If anyone gets that demon axe of doom down to 5/6 RT, I'd say you were in heaven.


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Re: Halberd, A Viable Weapon? on 10/28/2005 08:29 PM CDT
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<<I currently have a forged halbie that has heavy slice and impact>>

I'd assume you meant heavy puncture and slice.

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Re: Halberd, A Viable Weapon? on 10/28/2005 08:46 PM CDT
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<<I'd assume you meant heavy puncture and slice.>>

I wouldn't.




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Re: Halberd, A Viable Weapon? on 10/28/2005 09:39 PM CDT
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I would
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Re: Halberd, A Viable Weapon? on 10/28/2005 11:35 PM CDT
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I would too...




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Re: Halberd, A Viable Weapon? on 10/28/2005 11:42 PM CDT
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Hm. I was picturing a lochaber axe, not a true halberd. Which, oddly enough, does follow the halberd template in DR.

http://www.cullodenantiques.com/jpg/lochaber_axe.jpg

As opposed to, a halberd...

http://www.swords-n-stuff.com/pole/d-602.jpg




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Re: Halberd, A Viable Weapon? on 10/29/2005 06:22 AM CDT
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My Pally has been using the short-hafted Halberd from since day one. Other than it being just a great weapon, it has the big advantage of fitting in your backpack, which none of the other halberds out there can do. I'm not a proponent of arm-worn shields (I'm a Paladin that believes in learning evasion and parry), but have never had much of a problem parrying with the halberd. The only thing I am praying for is that someday the short-haft will be able to be forged.

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Re: Halberd, A Viable Weapon? on 10/29/2005 07:12 PM CDT
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A weapon strap works wonderfully on halberds and lochaber axes, I personally don't want a halberd in my backpack I save that space for boxes. Though a weapon strap does not work on those short-hafted halberds.

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Re: Halberd, A Viable Weapon? on 10/30/2005 01:04 AM CDT
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Which is why I use the harness sold at the same place as the short-hafted halberd. My backpack is usually too full of other stuff (boxes, instruments, a change of clothes, diary, random odds-and-ends that I'd need the moment they got vaulted, et cetera) for me to clutter it up with weapons.

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Re: Halberd, A Viable Weapon? on 10/30/2005 04:48 AM CST
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Halberd definitely needs some improvement, but is still kinda fun to hit from pole range.

Problem is, halberds don't have good enough attributes for their weight.

A 50 stone storebought halberd has only mod slice and puncture. Wheras storebought swords can get heavy slice, mod impact at similar weights.

Biggest problem though is the forged weapons thing. Not many people can forge halberds. I saw somethin like a 43 stone forged halberd having heavy puncture/slice. But a 28 stone forged bastie can have great slice.

Basically, halberds are too slow for the amount of damage they deal. But... hey I'm still gonna train them, cuz they're cool.


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Re: Halberd, A Viable Weapon? on 10/30/2005 04:54 AM CST
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Halberds are 2 handed weapons, so they really should be comparable to 2HE.

Problem is they aren't even comparable with ME, much less HE. 2HE is right out.


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Re: Halberd, A Viable Weapon? on 10/30/2005 07:10 PM CST
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Halberds are an EXTREMELY viable weapon. As of lately, we have arm-worn shields AND the ability to parry from pole-weapon ranged as a Barbarian and Paladin.

Try this, Brawling and Halberd.

As a circle 11 Gor'Tog Barbarian I was able to tackle circles 20-24 (more then double my skill) with this combination due to shove/slice, shove(to back)/grapple/punch(stun)/circle/slice, and I've parried opponents at pole-weapon who've accidently badly timed there attack.

It's AWESOME what you can do with halberd. The pole-weapon/parry aspect alone makes it awesome.

There is no difference between 2HE and Halberd, in the long run they both hit with severe damage, the only difference is the versility of Halberd.

I drop one thinking of Halberd with minimum RT, I haven't been graced with that and I've won opponents wieldling ME with balance and even more skill then me.

Hands down, Halberd is possiblity one of the best weapons available right now.


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