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We all know that the names of the players and accounts that get warned and temporarily locked out are off-limits. And that makes sense- you don't want to alienate your player base by punishing them publicly (although..)
What I'm wondering about, though, is why the names of accounts/players that were permanently locked out can't be disclosed? Is it a legal obligation to former paying customers to preserve privacy, or is it a decision made by the company/GMs to improve gameplay somehow? Or would there just be no benefit to posting those names, and so it is just a small display of kindness towards someone who use to pay and play, as well as the other still-active members who might have been involved in the situation?
I could imagine any of those being valid reasons, I'm just curious about why the details of perma-lockouts aren't posted as examples and to inform the player base of who they won't be seeing around anymore. Thanks in advance for any info and explanations.
-Sephos
Because customer privacy is a matter of company policy.
And considering there is at least one "permabanned" user still playing, posting the names publicly would create more drama than they want to deal with.
Rev. Reene
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And considering there is at least one "permabanned" user still playing, posting the names publicly would create more drama than they want to deal with.
Rev. Reene
"It is in vain to say human beings ought to be satisfied with tranquility: they must have action; and they will make it if they cannot find it." - Jane Eyre
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<<I could imagine any of those being valid reasons, I'm just curious about why the details of perma-lockouts aren't posted as examples and to inform the player base of who they won't be seeing around anymore. Thanks in advance for any info and explanations.
Then you would get questions about why so and so was locked out and the other so and so wasn't. This has been my point all along. The more information you release the more time you spend defending it.
Sylvado
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect. M.T.
Then you would get questions about why so and so was locked out and the other so and so wasn't. This has been my point all along. The more information you release the more time you spend defending it.
Sylvado
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect. M.T.
>Still doesn't make it a bad thing to inform more people.
Unless informing people would cause more of a hassle that it's worth.
>Although, if you are going to ban accounts for letting certain players play, it might be nice to know who is perma banned.
Only if you're considering sharing your account with one of those folks, or taking their billing services under your wing. In either case, it sounds a mite suspicious.
"Hey man, spare an account for a down and out DR player?"
-Durnil
Unless informing people would cause more of a hassle that it's worth.
>Although, if you are going to ban accounts for letting certain players play, it might be nice to know who is perma banned.
Only if you're considering sharing your account with one of those folks, or taking their billing services under your wing. In either case, it sounds a mite suspicious.
"Hey man, spare an account for a down and out DR player?"
-Durnil
<<Unless informing people would cause more of a hassle that it's worth.
Perhaps. However, the justifications I have read regarding protecting players identities when giving out warnings have always centered around privacy. But that privacy is protected not by the law but by a courtesy of a company to a paying customer. Once you are locked out, of course, you stop being a customer.
I would be a little disheartened if the reason for not releasing the identities of people being warned and locked out was not a matter of privacy but rather was the GMs responsible simply not wishing to publicly defend the justification for their decision. I don't think this is the case- the recent posts by Sanguinous and others have shed a lot of light on how stringent the scrutiny is for severe punishments like lockouts. I bet every lockout has to be satisfactorily justified to several people on the totem pole.
-Sephos
Perhaps. However, the justifications I have read regarding protecting players identities when giving out warnings have always centered around privacy. But that privacy is protected not by the law but by a courtesy of a company to a paying customer. Once you are locked out, of course, you stop being a customer.
I would be a little disheartened if the reason for not releasing the identities of people being warned and locked out was not a matter of privacy but rather was the GMs responsible simply not wishing to publicly defend the justification for their decision. I don't think this is the case- the recent posts by Sanguinous and others have shed a lot of light on how stringent the scrutiny is for severe punishments like lockouts. I bet every lockout has to be satisfactorily justified to several people on the totem pole.
-Sephos
<<I would be a little disheartened if the reason for not releasing the identities of people being warned and locked out was not a matter of privacy but rather was the GMs responsible simply not wishing to publicly defend the justification for their decision.
I would expect that to be the case. These issues are the business of no one other than Simu and the customer involved in the incident.
Sylvado
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect. M.T.
I would expect that to be the case. These issues are the business of no one other than Simu and the customer involved in the incident.
Sylvado
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect. M.T.
I wouldn't play DragonRealms if I didn't believe that my anonymity would be protected by the staff, even in the event that I flagrantly and egregiously violate their policy. There are a lot of people who play this game with me, and I really don't want most of you creeps knowing my real name or other information which all you stalkers could use to come visit me in my house.
Just saying.
X
Just saying.
X
When it comes to giving out names, believe me there are days when I want the whole world to know not just what so-and-so did, but who they are. We don't do that though. Outing people not only doesn't help much on the side of "I didn't know he was locked out" (the answer to that is, "Why were you letting anybody use your account?") but it actually gives those people something. They get the "fame" of being tossed out and we said who they were.
People who want fame around here can go about it by doing things that help the other players in some way or another. They're not going to get it by being named here. That's one reason I won't name names above and beyond the privacy rules.
--Sanguious
People who want fame around here can go about it by doing things that help the other players in some way or another. They're not going to get it by being named here. That's one reason I won't name names above and beyond the privacy rules.
--Sanguious
<< believe me there are days when I want the whole world to know not just what so-and-so did, but who they are.
This is the part I don't understand. What is the point of telling everybody else?
Sylvado
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect. M.T.
This is the part I don't understand. What is the point of telling everybody else?
Sylvado
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect. M.T.
>> What is the point of telling everybody else?
Human nature to want to divulge that sort of thing sometimes.
Rev. Reene
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Human nature to want to divulge that sort of thing sometimes.
Rev. Reene
"It is in vain to say human beings ought to be satisfied with tranquility: they must have action; and they will make it if they cannot find it." - Jane Eyre
Make some action!
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I think some people might have been missed the point of my post. I don't think there's any particularly good reason to give out the character names of people who were locked out. I was more just musing that there are no barriers to doing so, since a locked out player no longer has a relationship with the company and hence no real expectation of privacy. The characters, after all, are not the players' property anymore.
I realize post-lockout privacy is the current policy, but that need not be the case (although, as pointed out, this is not the same as "should not").
<<Sanguinous post
I see your point, although anyone who would be desperate enough to need the notoriety of being publicly locked out...well, I guess I imagine they might end up being locked out anyway.
Regarding giving them extra fame.. There are indeed a few people who commit crimes for notoriety, but our justice system still makes names/crimes public. On the other hand, if we knew the details behind every crime, might we understand the laws and their enforcement a little better?
-Sephos
I realize post-lockout privacy is the current policy, but that need not be the case (although, as pointed out, this is not the same as "should not").
<<Sanguinous post
I see your point, although anyone who would be desperate enough to need the notoriety of being publicly locked out...well, I guess I imagine they might end up being locked out anyway.
Regarding giving them extra fame.. There are indeed a few people who commit crimes for notoriety, but our justice system still makes names/crimes public. On the other hand, if we knew the details behind every crime, might we understand the laws and their enforcement a little better?
-Sephos
<<So far as I'm aware, Simutronics retains property rights over all data stored on their servers. You lease the right to edit the data, but do not in fact own it.>>
You are correct.
I think we can safely end this discussion now. Its clear that some people either want or believe they're entitled to more information about various things. It should also be clear by now that they're not going to get it.
Its really just that simple.
Solomon
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You are correct.
I think we can safely end this discussion now. Its clear that some people either want or believe they're entitled to more information about various things. It should also be clear by now that they're not going to get it.
Its really just that simple.
Solomon
What's going on?
http://www.livejournal.com/~drbubba
<<I think every month or so Solomon gets more snippy than before. Must be old age creeping up on him.>>
Same people asking the same questions and making the same arguments just gets old, especially after you've told them the same answers a few times. :)
Solomon
What's going on?
http://www.livejournal.com/~drbubba
Same people asking the same questions and making the same arguments just gets old, especially after you've told them the same answers a few times. :)
Solomon
What's going on?
http://www.livejournal.com/~drbubba
>Same people asking the same questions and making the same arguments just gets old, especially after you've told them the same answers a few times. :)
Sounds like old age to me.
Can we trade Solomon in for a trophy Head-GM in a few more month?
Blonde, all the 'right' curves in all the 'right' places for your appropriate sex, eh?
Sounds like old age to me.
Can we trade Solomon in for a trophy Head-GM in a few more month?
Blonde, all the 'right' curves in all the 'right' places for your appropriate sex, eh?
>>>Same people asking the same questions and making the same arguments just gets old, especially after you've told them the same answers a few times. :)
Bring back the manatee.
Amagaim; the player of,
Have you ever asked yourself why humans are still the dominant species on this planet?
No?
Go watch someone dance the hokey-pokey.
Can't get it off your mind now, can you?
Bring back the manatee.
Amagaim; the player of,
Have you ever asked yourself why humans are still the dominant species on this planet?
No?
Go watch someone dance the hokey-pokey.
Can't get it off your mind now, can you?
My question is can the perma-banned accounts items be released to the player base via special critter treasure, donation shelves, or on that witches table in Shard. Maybe even a NPC trader getting a table in a tent and selling them cheaply?
Robo
A dust bunny furtively tugs a label from Niteshiver's clothing that reads, "Closet Conservative".
Robo
A dust bunny furtively tugs a label from Niteshiver's clothing that reads, "Closet Conservative".
Why would anyone want to own (or buy!) a perma-banned account? It's already on the hit list, and if they catch that account in-game and can connect it to someone else's account then the hit list gets at least one more addition (remember, account history follows the account).
J'Lo, no that other one
The Manipulation List -- http://symphaena.com/index.html
J'Lo, no that other one
The Manipulation List -- http://symphaena.com/index.html
| or twin five year olds. |
| You become immune to this after you have raised a couple of teenagers! |
Im 35. I want kids. I just feel a need to express concern that I can't seem to commit to any woman, and constantly feel like "I don't think I should have kids right now." Like I'm never ready or competent enough. I wonder when I'll ever feel together enough. Not having kids would be a huge mistake for me. Maybe I'll feel more secure about things when I'm 65 marry someone 20, thank God for viagra, and die of old age before my kids are 15.
I know 'd be a great dad.
No need to respond, this was just an insane post.
:oP Ragran
::searches for his old therapist's number::
>>Im 35. I want kids....and constantly feel like "I don't think I should have kids right now."
ahh the beauty of RPGs... roll some up, you dont have to feed them or even like them, and if push comes to shove you can take them into wraiths and feed them to the abominations... yeah I think the traders would love to see your character with two little snot-nosed rug-rats cramping your style on the ferry. 'Dameon, Succubus... stop.. daddy's trying to work!'
Got Body Parts?
ahh the beauty of RPGs... roll some up, you dont have to feed them or even like them, and if push comes to shove you can take them into wraiths and feed them to the abominations... yeah I think the traders would love to see your character with two little snot-nosed rug-rats cramping your style on the ferry. 'Dameon, Succubus... stop.. daddy's trying to work!'
Got Body Parts?
<<I'm thinking he was just saying the items and not the character or account. However I think as soon as the perma-ban is effected the character and all data are destroyed. Probably a little note attached to a name saying here lies so and so and they stay buried!>>
New tombstones in the cemetary? :P
Gahlron Dragon'Claws
Ranger
~Mors ante dedecum
Nihil ante coffeum~
New tombstones in the cemetary? :P
Gahlron Dragon'Claws
Ranger
~Mors ante dedecum
Nihil ante coffeum~
| ahh the beauty of RPGs... roll some up, you dont have to feed them or even like them, and if push comes to shove you can take them into wraiths and feed them to the abominations |
heh.
Ragran does acknowledge 2 of the throng of bastard children that he's disseminated (in...?) throughout the realms.
:oP Ragran
<<My question is can the perma-banned accounts items be released to the player base via special critter treasure, donation shelves, or on that witches table in Shard. Maybe even a NPC trader getting a table in a tent and selling them cheaply?>>
I've actually considered this.
Who knows. We may do it at some point. Its easy enough to get to the items. :)
Solomon
What's going on?
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I've actually considered this.
Who knows. We may do it at some point. Its easy enough to get to the items. :)
Solomon
What's going on?
http://www.livejournal.com/~drbubba
<<However I think as soon as the perma-ban is effected the character and all data are destroyed. Probably a little note attached to a name saying here lies so and so and they stay buried!>>
Actually, no.
They exist, just not anywhere anyone other than on-site staff can get to.
Solomon
What's going on?
http://www.livejournal.com/~drbubba
Actually, no.
They exist, just not anywhere anyone other than on-site staff can get to.
Solomon
What's going on?
http://www.livejournal.com/~drbubba
>I've actually considered this.
>Who knows. We may do it at some point. Its easy enough to get to the items. :)
That would be completely awesome.
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>Who knows. We may do it at some point. Its easy enough to get to the items. :)
That would be completely awesome.
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<<yeah I think the traders would love to see your character with two little snot-nosed rug-rats cramping your style on the ferry. 'Dameon, Succubus... stop.. daddy's trying to work!'>>
heh. now you know why i don't take my family with me....
"dammit stop casting that spell when mommy is trying to pick pockets!" :-)
"ma barker" schvartzgonif
"Word on the street is, ya been lookin' out for the best interests of the Guild."
>>Who knows. We may do it at some point. Its easy enough to get to the items. :)
If it's easy enough to get to the items, surely it's just as easy to get to the character info, right? Just convert them into target dummies or little outfits/disguises for the quintains, or if you want to redistribute the items convert them into a custom-built trader table/mannequin/other typical item-display device:
You also see a Solomon mannequin, an Obseden mannequin, and a Paklin mannequin.
You know, something you can trot out as a very subtle reminder at festivals and the like.
You'd get a more favorable response, I think, if they were fresh, though.
J'Lo, no that other one
The Manipulation List -- http://symphaena.com/index.html
If it's easy enough to get to the items, surely it's just as easy to get to the character info, right? Just convert them into target dummies or little outfits/disguises for the quintains, or if you want to redistribute the items convert them into a custom-built trader table/mannequin/other typical item-display device:
You also see a Solomon mannequin, an Obseden mannequin, and a Paklin mannequin.
You know, something you can trot out as a very subtle reminder at festivals and the like.
You'd get a more favorable response, I think, if they were fresh, though.
J'Lo, no that other one
The Manipulation List -- http://symphaena.com/index.html
