This is an awesome addition, thank you so much!

You scan the area for any authorities who might take issue with you being vocally intimidating.
You don't notice any easily frightened authorities around. Let loose the cries of war!

I was messing around with it a bit and I'm not sure if it's working so far. It is listing this even in the city of Mer'kresh. Whether I am in a hunting ground or considered in town, it lists that same message.

- Simon

Ahh... amazing. Been wanting this for some time now. Thanks, Aurdun.

---

Vinjince

I'm not sure I catch what is different with ROAR QUIET.

~GM Aurdun
Barbarians' Guild Advocate
Gor'Tog Co-Champion
History Guru

"Don't use logic on scientists. That's just mean." ~ GM Zeyurn

The purpose of ROAR QUIET is to have no 3rd person perspective messaging seen. It's only supposed to give message about voice condition to the 1st person point of view for that Barbarian.

As soon as ROAR CHECK came live, what happened was that ROAR QUIET = ROAR.

This is not the way it is supposed to be, as ROAR QUIET is an extension of ROAR. Similar to how ROAR CHECK is an extension of ROAR.

When you are in hiding or invisible, you could have typed ROAR QUIET and received your voice condition level without being taken out of your hidden state.

Because ROAR QUIET = ROAR at the moment, they are both taking you out of your hidden state just to check your voice level.

What needs to be re-adjusted is:

* that ROAR QUIET is implemented back, instead of the system viewing ROAR QUIET as the same thing as ROAR.

* ROAR CHECK needs to look at each individual room you are in and recognize whether the justice system is on for that room.

As an example for that, if it is telling me when I use ROAR CHECK that certain areas in the city of Mer'kresh are OK to roar, I already know that's wrong because I would get a passerby which gives me a disturbing the peace warrant.

I'll keep messing around with this verb later tonight, so if you want to ask me any questions send me a message in game. Thanks again for looking into these things and for the concept, Aurdun. Definitely appreciated!

- Simon

Ok. BTW, nice messaging touch on ROAR CHECK.

Also, I think there's an issue with Death's Lullaby, but that is not due to the release of ROAR CHECK.

- Simon

Sorry, nothing is wrong with it. It's working as intended. My mistake on this one.

I just wish it took the target out of hidden state (not invisibility though) when the target is impacted:

You continue to tremble with fear, your limbs shaking involuntarily.

^-- the target gets roundtime anywhere from 2 to 6 seconds. You would think that the limbs shaking involuntarily would remove the target from it's state of remaining trying to remain hidden, right?

- Simon

So you changed the justice system to make the entire city of Mer'kresh (shops, buildings within it) to be void of justice?

- Simon

<<Nor necessarily, though I can see how one can interpret it that way.>>

Your limbs are shaking and you manage to remain hidden? How?

- Simon

You define it. ;)

It could mean a lot of things. Your arms, legs are shaking (aka limbs in Dragonrealms).

You would think that your presence would be given up when your "limbs" are moving involuntarily for the duration that the "limbs" are "shaking."

- Simon

<<Think 'rabbit scared out of its wits' shaking, not 'Doctor testing my reflexes' shaking. When Skiori and I were originally discussing it, that's what we were going for. Subtle shaking (more akin to a shivering), not OMG HERE I AM shaking. Granted, Skiori and I aren't in charge anymore, so that could very well change. :D>>

Gotcha. Thanks for the insight. Always appreciated for the DVD extras on how developer's came to their ideas. :) The entire system is a credit to both Skiori and yourself (and whoever I am leaving out that helped work on it). It is my favorite system in the game to explore, read about, talk about, etc.

I see your point, but I also don't feel convinced that the messaging and even your explanation would prevent someone from remaining hidden from retaining their position without the constant subtle shaking/shivering.

If that's the case that there would be involuntary subtle twitching, than why not go for the obvious and just make the target be instilled with twitching wounds when their mind is jolted from this sense of fear?

- Simon

<<Also the ROAR HELP menu, could lose the delay "good for you" message as well.>>

Aw, I loved that feature. ;p

- Simon

<<No, just of disturbing the peace, endangering the public, and forbidden practices. So basically it's in permanent 'invasion mode'.>>

Understood. This may sound out of place since you mentioned it is "permanent" in terms of that mode, but isn't an invasion mode only circumstantial when there is an ongoing invasion?

Or did someone forget to turn off the invasion mode switch with regards to disturbing the peace, endangering the public and forbidden practices?

- Simon

> roar check

You scan the area for any authorities who might take issue with you being vocally intimidating.
Taking stock of the surroundings, you decide this may not be the time and place to release your cries of battle.

Your teacher's voice echoes in your thoughts. "The earth is not alive. It cannot truly feel anger. You, however, can." Remembering that lesson and the form of intimidation you must use, you release a low, brutal roar.
An asaren celpeze appears startled and uncertain of its footing.
An asaren celpeze appears startled and uncertain of its footing.
An asaren celpeze appears startled and uncertain of its footing.

This is in Ratha. The entire celpeze area is CHECKed as the above.

- Simon

Yeah, it's an area thing, not a roar check thing.


~GM Aurdun
Barbarians' Guild Advocate
Gor'Tog Co-Champion
History Guru

[Aurdun] Why won't they just accept things I tell them point blank?
[Zeyurn] Obviously that would be cheating.

I can't say if it is intended or not, as that is up to the owner of the area. I like the idea of being able to use your roars there, though.


~GM Aurdun
Barbarians' Guild Advocate
Gor'Tog Co-Champion
History Guru

[Aurdun] Why won't they just accept things I tell them point blank?
[Zeyurn] Obviously that would be cheating.

>I can't say if it is intended or not, as that is up to the owner of the area. I like the idea of being able to use your roars there, though.

It was specifically allowed after someone requested the change. Perhaps it wasn't set up quite the right way.