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I'm hoping somebody can advice me on the best way to train my barb. I plan on a fully-rounded stealth barb, and would like to train at least 10 weapons. Currently I'm training short bow, longbow, heavy thrown, large blunt, twohanded blunt, light edged, heavy edged, medium edged, heavy chain, light chain and leather. Any suggestions on what else to pick up?
Secondly, I'm having a real hard time learning brawling. The best I can get to is pondering. Before the combat changes I just used to grapple, kneel, stand, repeat (Yea I've been gone that long..) What is the best way to learn this skill?
Thirdly, what are in your opinion, the best first five roars to pick? I currently only have Deaths Embrace and I don't want to make any mistakes.
I really want to train this character the right way, and not get 60 circles down the line and realise there's a couple weapons I regret not picking up now, then suffer months of endless backtraining (See my main *le grunt*)
Any help is much appreciated in advance.
On skill training, the more skills the better in my book. The more skills you learn, the more tdp's you get, and the more stats you'll have in the long run.
Brawling is based on agility and strength now, so the "best" combo is different for everyone. However, I use kick/slice/punch/chop/slam. Works with a weapon or without.
On roars, it kinda depends on your preference. Me, I prefer roars that tank my opponent's defenses so I can hit them easier. So, I went with roars like Rage, Lash, Justice and Wail to do that. Whatever you find out you need, there is probably a roar for it. (or a dance, or a berserk).
Gladiator Maulem~
Read the Barbarian Seven!
http://tinyurl.com/gksan
Brawling is based on agility and strength now, so the "best" combo is different for everyone. However, I use kick/slice/punch/chop/slam. Works with a weapon or without.
On roars, it kinda depends on your preference. Me, I prefer roars that tank my opponent's defenses so I can hit them easier. So, I went with roars like Rage, Lash, Justice and Wail to do that. Whatever you find out you need, there is probably a roar for it. (or a dance, or a berserk).
Gladiator Maulem~
Read the Barbarian Seven!
http://tinyurl.com/gksan
What weapons to train is purely a matter of taste when you are talking about training that many, personally I consider myself to be a trainer of all weapons as the higher your mentals get the easier it is to backtrain though by no means does that mean I have roughly the same ranks in everything, I definately favor some weapons over others but train the lower more useless ones when I am bored. For brawling unless you are just dead set on learning it from killing your foes(the fun way), it's fairly easy to mindlock on one critter if you just circle it for about 5 minutes(the easy way).
If I was going to say something you must train, train shield. The invention of arm-worn shields has made training it a no brainer, you can passively train it simply by wearing an arm worn shield and throw 2-3% of your stance points into it. It won't mindlock fast but you will train it via a trickle down effect and you will find yourself gaining ranks in it faster then you think, plus if you are in critters that constantly swarm that trickle down will actually add up to a mindlock pretty quick too sometimes. Shield is one of those skills you don not want to find out you need later down the line as there are quite a few instances where relatively low shield is good enough defense from an otherwise difficult critter. If nothing else it's more TDPs into the pot and as a barb you can use a nice medium arm worn shield for better protection, or a small one if you want no bow loading penalty.
If I was going to say something you must train, train shield. The invention of arm-worn shields has made training it a no brainer, you can passively train it simply by wearing an arm worn shield and throw 2-3% of your stance points into it. It won't mindlock fast but you will train it via a trickle down effect and you will find yourself gaining ranks in it faster then you think, plus if you are in critters that constantly swarm that trickle down will actually add up to a mindlock pretty quick too sometimes. Shield is one of those skills you don not want to find out you need later down the line as there are quite a few instances where relatively low shield is good enough defense from an otherwise difficult critter. If nothing else it's more TDPs into the pot and as a barb you can use a nice medium arm worn shield for better protection, or a small one if you want no bow loading penalty.
You already plan on training 3 edged weapons, I'd suggest training 2HE also. And if you're training bows and a thrown along with a fair amount of other stuff, I say you may as well pick up a crossbow also as a hedge against potential bow and/or thrown nerfing (the trendy ranged has changed a few times since I started playing).
With regard to brawling, I've been able to keep it moving fairly decently using circle/slice/shove (occational kick/elbow thrown in after circle) when using slicers. I've also been using circle/thrust/jab/shove with a jabber on one of my newbs, but that's mostly because I'm too lazy to find him a slicing LE and it's one of the few LE jabbing combos I know that won't tire him out.
Anyway, best of luck to you.
Norm
With regard to brawling, I've been able to keep it moving fairly decently using circle/slice/shove (occational kick/elbow thrown in after circle) when using slicers. I've also been using circle/thrust/jab/shove with a jabber on one of my newbs, but that's mostly because I'm too lazy to find him a slicing LE and it's one of the few LE jabbing combos I know that won't tire him out.
Anyway, best of luck to you.
Norm
Do you ever plan on reaching 60th circle? Is your Barbarian going to be a real character or just a small, sub-30 alt to have fun with? If it's just a small alt for fun, pretty much disregard all of the following advice. If you want a serious Barb, though...
1) Keep two weapons minimum, one melee and one ranged. Having three reasonably high is fine, any more then four is going to seriously hinder your circling rate. Drop at least 6 from the list.
2) Train shield.
3) Keep hiding and stalking reasonably high. It's possible to keep it on par with your regular weapons, but you're not Survival primary. Doing so will slow your progress down some, though if well-trained not very much.
4) Train Perception.
5) Keep Multi up with your weapons. The ability to fight in crowds means more defensive ranks means less dying means faster circling.
I used to be like you. I wanted the Death Dealer title by circle 30, I wanted 150 in all weapons by circle 40 and 200 in all weapons by circle 50. This takes a lot of drive, and it's certainly possible. I'd like to offer a point for you to consider, however.
The higher your mentals are, the quicker you'll gain ranks. If you powertrain and move all skills efficiently while keeping your mentals pumped, even at circle 30 you'll be getting about 40+ TDPS (or close to an extra stat point) per level not counting the 100+ you'll get from circling. The longer you wait to back-train all those 10 weapons, the quicker they will learn.
Most important of all is having fun. If you want to stay somewhat low circle and train 10 weapons and that justifies your money, then never mind. I'd be happy to offer advice or training tips to help you train your weapons. I was in the circle 20 range for over a year and a half because of all the back-training I did. And though I still have those ranks and they're useful, once I started focusing on the fundamentals... well, I'm sure you get the point. If you wanna circle, make efficient circling your goal and stick to it instead of worrying about 10 weapons.
You are Malkien, a dashing Barbarian. Huzzah!
You are Apis, a legendary Cleric in your own head.
You are Ragesong. What sort of Kaldar is a Bard, anyways, doofus?
You are also Pellazan (WM), Essatariol (Ranger) and running out of sig space.
1) Keep two weapons minimum, one melee and one ranged. Having three reasonably high is fine, any more then four is going to seriously hinder your circling rate. Drop at least 6 from the list.
2) Train shield.
3) Keep hiding and stalking reasonably high. It's possible to keep it on par with your regular weapons, but you're not Survival primary. Doing so will slow your progress down some, though if well-trained not very much.
4) Train Perception.
5) Keep Multi up with your weapons. The ability to fight in crowds means more defensive ranks means less dying means faster circling.
I used to be like you. I wanted the Death Dealer title by circle 30, I wanted 150 in all weapons by circle 40 and 200 in all weapons by circle 50. This takes a lot of drive, and it's certainly possible. I'd like to offer a point for you to consider, however.
The higher your mentals are, the quicker you'll gain ranks. If you powertrain and move all skills efficiently while keeping your mentals pumped, even at circle 30 you'll be getting about 40+ TDPS (or close to an extra stat point) per level not counting the 100+ you'll get from circling. The longer you wait to back-train all those 10 weapons, the quicker they will learn.
Most important of all is having fun. If you want to stay somewhat low circle and train 10 weapons and that justifies your money, then never mind. I'd be happy to offer advice or training tips to help you train your weapons. I was in the circle 20 range for over a year and a half because of all the back-training I did. And though I still have those ranks and they're useful, once I started focusing on the fundamentals... well, I'm sure you get the point. If you wanna circle, make efficient circling your goal and stick to it instead of worrying about 10 weapons.
You are Malkien, a dashing Barbarian. Huzzah!
You are Apis, a legendary Cleric in your own head.
You are Ragesong. What sort of Kaldar is a Bard, anyways, doofus?
You are also Pellazan (WM), Essatariol (Ranger) and running out of sig space.
All the of the weapons he's currently training are ones that you can lock pretty fast, so in the long run I think he's only looking at moderate decrease for advancing. The place where you can get into real trouble is when you start picking up the stuff that's really slow to train, notably slings, staffs, and pikes.
If advancing is a concern then I suggest ignoring my suggestion for picking up a crossbow (they're slow even with a repeater), keep the weapons he's training, and add 2HE and MB. I'm not going to scroll back to look, but I think with brawling that'll give him about 12 weapons.
Initially it will be pretty slow going even if your character is a tog with a loads of strength, but as you get the chance to train strength, start seeing minimum RTs, and eventually start using bigger meaner weapons the problems associated with training alot of weapons will slowly lessen.
Anyway, best of luck to you. The path you're taking isn't easy and requires patience, but there can be real advantages to taking it if you can handle not being the fastest guy to hit 60th.
Norm
If advancing is a concern then I suggest ignoring my suggestion for picking up a crossbow (they're slow even with a repeater), keep the weapons he's training, and add 2HE and MB. I'm not going to scroll back to look, but I think with brawling that'll give him about 12 weapons.
Initially it will be pretty slow going even if your character is a tog with a loads of strength, but as you get the chance to train strength, start seeing minimum RTs, and eventually start using bigger meaner weapons the problems associated with training alot of weapons will slowly lessen.
Anyway, best of luck to you. The path you're taking isn't easy and requires patience, but there can be real advantages to taking it if you can handle not being the fastest guy to hit 60th.
Norm
Well, firstly, if you're a Tog the advice will be a little different,because your mentals will probably be considerably lower.
However, saying 10-12 weapons will only slow him down 'moderately' with a primary weapons pool is a little bit of an understatement. Post-circle 10 rews require two weapons. He's wanting to train five times that many. Think about it for a minute.
With proper tiering so you get your wall ranks and post-walls in proper sequence you can keep several locked. On a post-wall rank in one of your primary weapons, though, training 10 weapons is just ridiculous. t won't be a moderate slowness in level gain, it will be a huge slowness in level gain.
Again, if you're wanting to forge or your fun is invested in learning 10 weapons, go right ahead. Play whatever makes you happy. But I did want to make sure you knew that 10 weapons was going to slow you down heavily when compared to focusing on 2-3.
You are Malkien, a dashing Barbarian. Huzzah!
You are Apis, a legendary Cleric in your own head.
You are Ragesong. What sort of Kaldar is a Bard, anyways, doofus?
You are also Pellazan (WM), Essatariol (Ranger) and running out of sig space.
However, saying 10-12 weapons will only slow him down 'moderately' with a primary weapons pool is a little bit of an understatement. Post-circle 10 rews require two weapons. He's wanting to train five times that many. Think about it for a minute.
With proper tiering so you get your wall ranks and post-walls in proper sequence you can keep several locked. On a post-wall rank in one of your primary weapons, though, training 10 weapons is just ridiculous. t won't be a moderate slowness in level gain, it will be a huge slowness in level gain.
Again, if you're wanting to forge or your fun is invested in learning 10 weapons, go right ahead. Play whatever makes you happy. But I did want to make sure you knew that 10 weapons was going to slow you down heavily when compared to focusing on 2-3.
You are Malkien, a dashing Barbarian. Huzzah!
You are Apis, a legendary Cleric in your own head.
You are Ragesong. What sort of Kaldar is a Bard, anyways, doofus?
You are also Pellazan (WM), Essatariol (Ranger) and running out of sig space.
Or you can be like me... with like 2 years of playing, I am only level 34, but I have almost 100 in every single weapon (save offhand for now) and all my skills except my primary and secondary weapons are set for the next 25+ levels. And I am having fun.
So it all depends. There aren't two versions. There isn't JUST the level 30 alt or the high level main. Some of us like to play to play. I like to play to RP and to do what I enjoy doing. Do I want to reach higher levels? Yeah, but it will be pretty pimp when I hit level 100 with 300+ in every single weapon.
Just my 2 coppers.
Sis ut sanus amo a indoles , narro quispiam in Latin.
So it all depends. There aren't two versions. There isn't JUST the level 30 alt or the high level main. Some of us like to play to play. I like to play to RP and to do what I enjoy doing. Do I want to reach higher levels? Yeah, but it will be pretty pimp when I hit level 100 with 300+ in every single weapon.
Just my 2 coppers.
Sis ut sanus amo a indoles , narro quispiam in Latin.
Wow, you guys have been amazing with the advice, thank you all for your input.
Norm, I'm a 'she', just for the record (I forgive you though :P), and I am currently training 2HE, I just forgot to add that to my text arsenel. What is the learning rate on crossbows for barbarians? My main uses LX and I've found it excrutiating to train, and yes (!) even with a repeater. How do stonebows fair for barbarian training?
Diminishedangel - I plan on making my barb my main, and would obviously like to advance as quickly as possible, and of course training so many weapons is slowing my advancement down, however I don't want to get to the point that I did with my other character and realise there were 6 other weapons I really wanted to train, and spend months backtraining (I think it's been about 3 months before I left, and 3 months since I've come back)
Another con is that because my RTs are so damn long, I'm not learning as quickly as I should be anyway - Get to 25th-30th, with lower RTs and higher learning rate then backtrain? I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place at the moment..
I suppose I'm not just taking up the 10-12 weapons because it's 'fun' at the moment, but it's more of a long-term investment down the line.
You also mentioned training-tips on weapons - Any would be appreciated to maximise learning.
Thank you all again for your time and input.
Norm, I'm a 'she', just for the record (I forgive you though :P), and I am currently training 2HE, I just forgot to add that to my text arsenel. What is the learning rate on crossbows for barbarians? My main uses LX and I've found it excrutiating to train, and yes (!) even with a repeater. How do stonebows fair for barbarian training?
Diminishedangel - I plan on making my barb my main, and would obviously like to advance as quickly as possible, and of course training so many weapons is slowing my advancement down, however I don't want to get to the point that I did with my other character and realise there were 6 other weapons I really wanted to train, and spend months backtraining (I think it's been about 3 months before I left, and 3 months since I've come back)
Another con is that because my RTs are so damn long, I'm not learning as quickly as I should be anyway - Get to 25th-30th, with lower RTs and higher learning rate then backtrain? I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place at the moment..
I suppose I'm not just taking up the 10-12 weapons because it's 'fun' at the moment, but it's more of a long-term investment down the line.
You also mentioned training-tips on weapons - Any would be appreciated to maximise learning.
Thank you all again for your time and input.
Two weapons is the minimum for a decent amount of time, but with the last barb that I trained where I was more advancement orriented I was able to keep about six weapons at a level where I could train them where I was hunting. Now I didn't keep them dead even with his highest weapons, but I never got to a point where I had to move to another hunting ground to train and I did manage to get the character past 60th circle (in prime, not TF) in the first year I trained him. I did play alot more than the average player back then though.
Regarding crossbow: they stink for training fast and will slow your advancement horribly. Using a repeating lx on a wall rank it takes my 34th circle barb (I got more than one) at least one full eagle dance durration to lock it. In that same time frame he can lock short bow, HT, LT, and get a good amount of hiding and stalking in.
Anyway, if you decide you don't like the slower progression while training a bunch of weapons you can always dump a few. In this case I think you're better off biting more than you may want to chew than just starting off with a handfull and possibly regrettting your choice later down the line.
Again, best of luck to you and sorry about the "he" thing.
Norm
Regarding crossbow: they stink for training fast and will slow your advancement horribly. Using a repeating lx on a wall rank it takes my 34th circle barb (I got more than one) at least one full eagle dance durration to lock it. In that same time frame he can lock short bow, HT, LT, and get a good amount of hiding and stalking in.
Anyway, if you decide you don't like the slower progression while training a bunch of weapons you can always dump a few. In this case I think you're better off biting more than you may want to chew than just starting off with a handfull and possibly regrettting your choice later down the line.
Again, best of luck to you and sorry about the "he" thing.
Norm
I trained them all to circle requirements from the get go, with the mindset of trying to keep them all that way until at least 30th. Sometime around 12th, I decided to power circle a bit and get some of the early dances under my belt, namely cobra, badger and bear. These make it a bit easier to train weapons, so it's a good idea to have them in your repertoire before doing serious multi weapon training.
My current regimen includes finishing out the remaining weapons (4) to 100 each, and then moving them all to 150 for death dealer. When training lesser weapons, I wear a multi armor setup that trains all the armors. Yes, I have the multi armor penalty, but I find that against stuff that I train lesser weapons on, it doesn't matter so much, and the extra tdp's are very nice.
Gladiator Maulem~
Read the Barbarian Seven!
http://tinyurl.com/gksan
My current regimen includes finishing out the remaining weapons (4) to 100 each, and then moving them all to 150 for death dealer. When training lesser weapons, I wear a multi armor setup that trains all the armors. Yes, I have the multi armor penalty, but I find that against stuff that I train lesser weapons on, it doesn't matter so much, and the extra tdp's are very nice.
Gladiator Maulem~
Read the Barbarian Seven!
http://tinyurl.com/gksan
I missed the stonebow thing, but a friend that I trust with regard to training weapons said he tried one when they first came out (I suffered through frequent updates on his training via IM). I can't remember his exact words, but I seem to recall that they managed to combine all the drawbacks of crossbows and sling into a single deceptively interesting item. If you figure out when the new province was opened up you should be able to dig some info up on them in the crossbow folder.
Anyway, the barb I trained up pretty quickly used all blades, medium blunt, and longbow. That's by no means some sort of uber set up, but I rarely found myself wishing I had another weapon to work with because all the others were mind locked. Well, at least not until I got the the point where I could handle hunting celps in the northern barricade with my moonie in RF upping the gen rate.
For training I mostly use feint/draw/slice/chop/parry with blades. I have been using circle/slice/shove with my 34th circle barb though to work brawling since he doesn't have much and he tends to whiff when I try damaging moves. For blunts I use feint/bash/sweep/draw/swing/dodge mostly. Working bows I never bother with a full aim unless I'm advancing in hiding to get stalking moving faster. I normally just aim, wait a second or two, then fire. Also, when I'm trying to work hiding on something that's a bit too hard I like to go for eye shots. The stuns you give critters on them can be really nasty and can give you enough of an edge to hide on stuff you have no business hiding on.
Well, enough rambling for me and enough reading for you. Get out there and have some fun!
Norm
Anyway, the barb I trained up pretty quickly used all blades, medium blunt, and longbow. That's by no means some sort of uber set up, but I rarely found myself wishing I had another weapon to work with because all the others were mind locked. Well, at least not until I got the the point where I could handle hunting celps in the northern barricade with my moonie in RF upping the gen rate.
For training I mostly use feint/draw/slice/chop/parry with blades. I have been using circle/slice/shove with my 34th circle barb though to work brawling since he doesn't have much and he tends to whiff when I try damaging moves. For blunts I use feint/bash/sweep/draw/swing/dodge mostly. Working bows I never bother with a full aim unless I'm advancing in hiding to get stalking moving faster. I normally just aim, wait a second or two, then fire. Also, when I'm trying to work hiding on something that's a bit too hard I like to go for eye shots. The stuns you give critters on them can be really nasty and can give you enough of an edge to hide on stuff you have no business hiding on.
Well, enough rambling for me and enough reading for you. Get out there and have some fun!
Norm
>>Sometime around 12th, I decided to power circle a bit and get some of the early dances under my belt, namely cobra, badger and bear. These make it a bit easier to train weapons, so it's a good idea to have them in your repertoire before doing serious multi weapon training.
This is one of the tips I was talking about. I don't really have magic keys to make training easier, it's just some general advice that I wish I had followed to start.
You can reasonably get all your weapons to 40-50 or maybe even 70ish towards the beginning (or higher with time, but you get the idea). However, with higher strength/agility you get lower RTs, which fills your exp pool quicker. With higher wisdom you pulse better, which means more exp. With higher intelligence you can really start powertraining (working hiding/stalking with your defenses, keeping appraisal locked at all times and using a wayerd pyramid to train mech lore, using a 2-3 armor set-up) without getting frozen constantly.
As a rule of thumb, I'd circle-chase until you A) started seeing lower roundtime on your weapons and B) had 20 or so in intelligence/wisdom and possibly discipline. This will probably be around circle 30 if you round your stats out pretty well. When you get tired of circle-training you can always backtrain some weapons, but I would generally make hitting circle 30 (or so) your goal before worrying about goals like 100 in all weapons (Maulem is close to circle 60, as a reference, and he's working on that goal right now).
Some other tips:
-Bows are the easiest weapons to mind lock currently (short, long, comp bow, not crossbows). Even with 100+ ranks as my fourth weapon I can still mind lock composite bow with 4-5 enemies. Find a decent player-made bow (doesn't have to be capped). You can usually get an ebony one that's around 30 'points' for free on the Barb rack upstairs or in the Ranger guild. This will help training substantially.
-After bows, swords are generally the easiest, and then blunts. Blunts are generally only harder because they usually have a higher RT associated with them. After that are pikes and halberds, again generally only harder because of the longer RTs.
-Brawling is a good weapon category, but the low RTs and high fatigue cost will wear you out quick, so watch your fatigue until you've got 20+ stamina.
-HT/LT/Offhand are good enough. Try and find enemies without shields. Shields totally own thrown weapons, much moreso then bows even.
-Crossbows are tough, just because of the huge RT.
-With the right weapon QS can be manageable, but the other stuff (Short Staff and the two Sling categories) I'd really recommend you avoid like the plague as any 'real' weapon category.
You are Malkien, a dashing Barbarian. Huzzah!
You are Apis, a legendary Cleric in your own head.
You are Ragesong. What sort of Kaldar is a Bard, anyways, doofus?
You are also Pellazan (WM), Essatariol (Ranger) and running out of sig space.
This is one of the tips I was talking about. I don't really have magic keys to make training easier, it's just some general advice that I wish I had followed to start.
You can reasonably get all your weapons to 40-50 or maybe even 70ish towards the beginning (or higher with time, but you get the idea). However, with higher strength/agility you get lower RTs, which fills your exp pool quicker. With higher wisdom you pulse better, which means more exp. With higher intelligence you can really start powertraining (working hiding/stalking with your defenses, keeping appraisal locked at all times and using a wayerd pyramid to train mech lore, using a 2-3 armor set-up) without getting frozen constantly.
As a rule of thumb, I'd circle-chase until you A) started seeing lower roundtime on your weapons and B) had 20 or so in intelligence/wisdom and possibly discipline. This will probably be around circle 30 if you round your stats out pretty well. When you get tired of circle-training you can always backtrain some weapons, but I would generally make hitting circle 30 (or so) your goal before worrying about goals like 100 in all weapons (Maulem is close to circle 60, as a reference, and he's working on that goal right now).
Some other tips:
-Bows are the easiest weapons to mind lock currently (short, long, comp bow, not crossbows). Even with 100+ ranks as my fourth weapon I can still mind lock composite bow with 4-5 enemies. Find a decent player-made bow (doesn't have to be capped). You can usually get an ebony one that's around 30 'points' for free on the Barb rack upstairs or in the Ranger guild. This will help training substantially.
-After bows, swords are generally the easiest, and then blunts. Blunts are generally only harder because they usually have a higher RT associated with them. After that are pikes and halberds, again generally only harder because of the longer RTs.
-Brawling is a good weapon category, but the low RTs and high fatigue cost will wear you out quick, so watch your fatigue until you've got 20+ stamina.
-HT/LT/Offhand are good enough. Try and find enemies without shields. Shields totally own thrown weapons, much moreso then bows even.
-Crossbows are tough, just because of the huge RT.
-With the right weapon QS can be manageable, but the other stuff (Short Staff and the two Sling categories) I'd really recommend you avoid like the plague as any 'real' weapon category.
You are Malkien, a dashing Barbarian. Huzzah!
You are Apis, a legendary Cleric in your own head.
You are Ragesong. What sort of Kaldar is a Bard, anyways, doofus?
You are also Pellazan (WM), Essatariol (Ranger) and running out of sig space.
Whatever you do don't train Light Thrown. It is a skill only reserved for certain people. :)
Vinjince
"There are five possible operations for any army. If you can fight, fight; if you cannot fight, defend; if you cannot defend, flee; if you cannot flee, surrender; if you cannot surrender, die."
- Sima Yi
Vinjince
"There are five possible operations for any army. If you can fight, fight; if you cannot fight, defend; if you cannot defend, flee; if you cannot flee, surrender; if you cannot surrender, die."
- Sima Yi
>>Whatever you do don't train Light Thrown. It is a skill only reserved for certain people. :)
Aren't you supposed to say don't train Shield instead?
You are Malkien, a dashing Barbarian. Huzzah!
You are Apis, a legendary Cleric in your own head.
You are Ragesong. What sort of Kaldar is a Bard, anyways, doofus?
You are also Pellazan (WM), Essatariol (Ranger) and running out of sig space.
Aren't you supposed to say don't train Shield instead?
You are Malkien, a dashing Barbarian. Huzzah!
You are Apis, a legendary Cleric in your own head.
You are Ragesong. What sort of Kaldar is a Bard, anyways, doofus?
You are also Pellazan (WM), Essatariol (Ranger) and running out of sig space.
Oh yeah, that too. Don't train shield either... makes it a lot easier for you to get blasted by a thrown weapon. Works great.
Vinjince
"There are five possible operations for any army. If you can fight, fight; if you cannot fight, defend; if you cannot defend, flee; if you cannot flee, surrender; if you cannot surrender, die."
- Sima Yi
Vinjince
"There are five possible operations for any army. If you can fight, fight; if you cannot fight, defend; if you cannot defend, flee; if you cannot flee, surrender; if you cannot surrender, die."
- Sima Yi
